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Los Angeles, CA: Pierre Koening Case Study House #21

Postby daybreaker » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:49 pm

Wow, will someone rich buy it and invite me over:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2006/10/p ... h.php#more

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Yup

Postby modfan » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:21 pm

There's a discussion on it elsewhere on this board, maybe someone on here knows how to provide the link.

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Postby Dirt Diva » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:06 pm

Ill buy it if they throw in the car! :wink: Party at Dirt Divas new Bachelorette pad! :cheers:
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So......

Postby modfan » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:55 am

What's the status of CSH 22. I recently read that Buck passed away.
I was able to see it on a recent tour. I guess Carlotta has her daughter living there with her. Carlotta is getting along in years so what happens to the house do the Stahl's children have any interest in keeping the house when she passes? The developer of the tract where it is has deed restrictions on 2nd stories so at least that part is safe. Does the city provide any protection since it is a designated landmark site.
For that matter what about the status of the Lovell House there is a similar situation only I think that is in a little worse condition.
(Yup I know this is kinda downer post but better to face it now than later when the bulldozers are at the ready at the curb)

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Re: So......

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Postby nichols » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:13 am

Wow, Carlotta is opening it up four days a week now!
AMAZING

http://www.stahlhouse.com/

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Postby KateT(CA) » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:31 am

I am so impressed! I want to tour it!!!!!
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I tried to use the site and it did not seem to work very well. I managed to get through to David Wheeler. He told me that he has been out of contact with any of the Stahls for quite a while, and that he is not sure how much control any of them have over visitations these days, as he was pretty sure none of the Stahls live there anymore. Mark, who lives in Idaho, is the one who used to handle visits. I may try to contact him.
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Postby nichols » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:36 am

Carlotta still lives there. No question.

Her daughter Shari helps with the filming and visitations.

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Looks like the grand daughter?

Postby modfan » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:23 pm

Lives there too-there were kids bikes on the patio and toys in the 'parrots' bedroom. Kinda think whatta cool place for kids despite the preciptious (not really that precipitious) edge of the property. Carlotta just had new vinyl flooring put in the kitchen.

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Postby Synthetrix » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:49 pm

Well I would love to visit if anyone can help with this.
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Postby spinsLPs » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:50 am

More information on the Case Study House #21 auction can be found here:

It will be open Sundays from 2 - 5 pm.

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CSH #21

Postby mwl » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:48 pm

I belive the closing price was $3,185,600.

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Postby classic form » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:21 pm

I believe you are right:) Does this number represent a premium for this house over what it may have sold for if it would have been listed instead of auctioned? Of course, that would be hard to determine. Do you see this as a trend of sorts with "trophy" houses? I have only heard of two now, Farnsworth and this one. Am I missing others? This seems like an odd way to sell...

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Postby ch » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:55 pm

I know another, a modern townhouse in NY designed by Philip Johnson for one of the Rockefellers. It sold for millions. Read on:

From the New York Times

Manhattan Town House By Johnson Being Sold
By RITA REIF
LEAD: A Manhattan town house designed by Philip Johnson in 1949 for Blanchette Rockefeller, the wife of John D. Rockefeller 3d, is to be auctioned May 6 at Sotheby's.

A Manhattan town house designed by Philip Johnson in 1949 for Blanchette Rockefeller, the wife of John D. Rockefeller 3d, is to be auctioned May 6 at Sotheby's.

''We have never offered a house in an art auction, and it is the first house we have ever auctioned,'' Diana D. Brooks, Sotheby's president, said. ''Why this one? It is a Philip Johnson redesigned town house.''

The converted 1860's carriage house at 242 East 52d Street is a brick-walled modern box 25 feet wide and 100 feet deep to which Mr. Johnson added a second floor faced with steel-framed frosted-glass windows and a patio, a decorative pool and a curtain waterfall to screen the living room from the bedroom. Although not a landmark, it is cited in many books on architecture, including the New York Chapter of the American Institute of Architect's ''A.I.A. Guide to New York City.''

''People are always taking photos of the house,'' said Robin Symes, a London antiquities dealer who has owned the house for 11 years. ''I opened the door one day and there was a Viennese professor lecturing on architecture to his students.'' '' History by Anecdote

Why sell? ''I was here 20 days a year,'' Mr. Symes said. ''What a waste.'' The house is to be the final offering in Sotheby's sale of the dwelling's contents - Mr. Symes's collection of 20th-century decorative arts by Pierre Legrain, Eileen Gray and Emile-Jacques Ruhlmann. The presale estimate for the house is $1.5 million to $2 million; the furnishings are expected to bring $2 million to $3 million.

Mrs. Rockefeller owned the house - only the second residence designed by Mr. Johnson, following his famous Glass House - for eight years. She entertained there at teas and evening parties against backgrounds dramatized by her sculpture-rich collection of modern art. In 1958 Mrs. Rockefeller gave the house to the Museum of Modern Art, which used it as a guest house until 1964 and sold it for $100,000.

Mr. Johnson also called this house home in the 1970's when he leased it from the owner. He said then in an interview that he had added the second story to give the facade height. ''The top of the house doesn't exist for me,'' Mr. Johnson said. ''I only added it because there is no point to doing a one-story house in New York. It would look all wrong.''

''It's a house built for giving parties and magical moments,'' Mr. Symes said, recalling an incident reported by his housekeeper. ''One day the doorbell rang and it was Greta Garbo - looking for Philip Johnson. For me it was very sad. she rang the doorbell and I wasn't there.''

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Postby SDR » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:35 pm

Lovely stuff. Of course, Johnson's first residence was his own house in Cambridge, MA, in 1942. It was not unlike the Manhattan town house, but had one story under flat roofs. And a house designed a year or two later for Ambassador John Wiley consisted of "five pavilions arranged in a rambling rectangular configuration around a pair of tree-studded courts."

I expect the auction will get this house into sympathetic hands. . .

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Postby classic form » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:08 am

You know, that's a good point SDR. I doubt that a developer would either go to the trouble or risk paying the premium (if that is the case) by bidding at auction, thereby almost guaranteeing that the house goes to someone who won't alter it. Maybe that's where the idea of a Modern house auction stems from?

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"Better Living Through Modernism"

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Postby SDR » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:00 pm

Hmm. I wonder what that was ? Didn't find it by Googling. . .

There's lots of goodies in them thar hills of Conn. New Canaan is waking up to the dwindling number of significant MCM in their town. Maybe the opening of the Glass House to visitors soon will help their cause.

http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/r ... 3habi.html

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Postby ch » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:03 am

SDR,

You are quite right about this, as I am learning. Just yesterday we discovered another "colony" of moderns in New Haven by some unsung Yale architect.

For those interested in Connecticut modernism via the Harvard Five or the Yale School of Architecture, here are two must have books:

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LA Times Article

Postby kjansma » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:25 am

Today's article in the Los Angeles Times about house and auction:
http://www.calendarlive.com/printeditio ... l-calendar

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Postby moderns-r-us » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:01 pm

Ditto on my wishlist for the second book. I was waiting to see it in person or for a recommendation from someone. Now I can buy it online without worries of a dud.

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CSH House #21

Postby Josquin » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:42 pm

Who would have thought that the Case study houses would be sold as art objects or trophy houses. Although this maybe one way they will be saved, but consider how far away this is from the ideals of the original program. Especially in Los Angeles, modest modern design comes at such a premium.

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Postby SDR » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:41 pm

We're a little off topic, by now, I suppose, but -- what the hell. . . :)

http://www.logobook.ru/prod_show.php?ob ... d=11061002

I'm looking for the first reference to this book (was it on LL ?). Memories. . .

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Postby SDR » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:53 pm

Ironic, isn't it, J. I believe there are precedents for this, though: the appreciation of urban graffiti as an art form; $1000 for a good PEZ dispenser [look it up -- I'm probably way off. . .]; original rock posters and other paper ephemera. . .

Thank the graces for those with the money AND the taste. . .we love and envy you !

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Any other good *architectural* examples of this phenemenon ?

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