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Postby moderns-r-us » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:29 pm

Or in English for all us monolingual Anglos.

http://aernav.free.fr/Aerotrain/Anglais ... Story.html

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:53 am

Does anyone, by chance, have a copy of the Simpsons episode Marge Versus the Monorail? If so, I'd love to get a copy and would pay for any expenses.

BTW, an article appeared today about a Simpsons movie that's being released this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060402/ap_ ... sons_movie

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Fri May 26, 2006 6:41 pm

There are several interesting news stories at the Monorail Society website, including a proposal to have monorails in L.A. going alongside the flood control channels. There is also an illustration of what the mag-lev in Shanghai will look like when it's completed in 2010.


http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/News.html

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Postby ChrisLAXEncounter » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:24 pm

By the way, where are the County Flood Control channel bank rights of way located?

Also, when did Los Angeles County get a Mayor?

Nevertheless, it is nice to hear the comments from Mayor Antonovich.

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Postby ChrisLAXEncounter » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:39 pm

The LA Times on 8/27 had an article on the increase in traffic. I wonder if the delay caused by traffic increase will make the public more interested in public transportation.

However, the current subway plans will result in extemely high litigation costs by property owners and business owners along Wilshire Blvd. Loss of access, property damage and loss of business claims could add a billion dollars to the cost of stretching the subway to the ocean.

I also wonder if the ceiling caving in recently in Boston's Big Dig and the Hollywood sink holes have made the MTA Board more hesitant about the subway extension.

Therefore, I wonder if monorails will be an alternative because of:

a. cost savings.
b. faster construction time
c. the number of other cities employing monorails.
d. less litigation costs
e. no ceiling falling in

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:57 am

Here's an article about plans for monorail expansion in Las Vegas


http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Aug-29-Tue-
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Aug. 29, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Monorail set to grow

Expansion would link line with airport, convention centers

By ROD SMITH
GAMING WIRE

The Las Vegas Monorail is seen Thursday from behind the Imperial
Palace. An expansion of the monorail would include the Las Vegas
Sands Expo, linking all four major convention centers.
Photo by Ruben D. Luevano.

< http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Aug-29-Tue-
2006/photos/news.jpg >
Click image for enlargement.
Graphic by Mike Johnson.

Major expansion plans are in the works for the Las Vegas Monorail to
help relieve traffic congestion along the resort corridor, including
a hookup with the airport down Swenson Street and new stations that
will link all four of the Strip's major convention centers for the
first time.

The company's plans, which are still being worked on, include adding
at least five new stations as well as a series of connections that
would link the Las Vegas Monorail to properties on the west side of
the Strip, Las Vegas Monorail Co. President Curtis Myles said.

With the new stations, the monorail will link more than 6 million
square feet of exhibit and meeting space, including for the first
time the Sands Expo and Convention Center, the Mandalay Bay
Convention Center and the convention facilities planned at Boyd
Gaming's Echelon Place, enhancing Las Vegas' role as the convention
capital of the country, he said.

The Las Vegas Convention Center already has a monorail station,
Myles said.

"Our future is going to be getting the airport connector and
connecting the system to more resorts," Myles said.

However, even with the expansion plans, expected to be announced in
the next six months, the Las Vegas Monorail stands to play a
limited, although essential, role in addressing the transportation
problems already afflicting the area's economic drive shaft, he said.

Myles believes any relief to traffic problems along the Strip will
be limited, partially because at least 25,000 added hotel rooms are
likely to be built in the next four years, generating another 53,000
trips a day through the resort corridor, a 25 percent increase over
the 225,000 cars that travel along the resort corridor now every day.

Add the 75,000 to 80,000 condominium units that are also likely to
be built in the area, and traffic could actually double from its
current level.

The current monorail plan is to run a connector line down Swenson
Street to McCarran International with spurs to Terminal 1, the main
terminal today, and Terminal 3, which will be built north of the D
gates, Myles said.

Airport spokeswoman Elaine Sanchez said plans for Terminal 3 are
near completion and the new building should open in mid-2011.

Earlier plans had envisioned a link-up between the MGM Grand
terminus and the A gates, but Federal Aviation Administration
regulations and the cost of underground tunnels made that cost
prohibitive, Myles said.

Officials with the $650 million monorail, which opened in 2004, have
been working with the airport and the FAA on a study of the plan
that they will each have to approve, he said.

The connector will run along Harmon Avenue, down Paradise Road,
across Tropicana Avenue and down Swenson. It is planned to include
stops at the new W Las Vegas hotel and the Hard Rock Hotel and the
Thomas and Mack Center, Myles said.

Despite its opposition to a station when the monorail was first
planned, the Sands Expo and Convention Center also is negotiating
for a new station entrance from the current Harrah's Las Vegas
station.

Monorail passengers would not make a second stop at the convention
center, but would exit the monorail system and enter the Sands Expo
and The Venetian through a separate building.

Talks are also in the works for a likely station at Boyd Gaming
Corp.'s $4 billion Echelon Place on the Stardust site north of the
current Sahara monorail terminus, Myles said.

And there is still a possibility of a station at the Stratosphere
although that is a less certain prospect, he said.

In addition to the new stations, Myles said talks are also in the
works to integrate the monorail with the three unconnected tram
systems at the MGM Mirage properties on the west side of the Strip:
one from Mandalay Bay to Excalibur, one from Monte Carlo to
Bellagio, which has been closed during construction of the $7
billion Project CityCenter, and a third connecting the Mirage and
Treasure Island.

MGM Mirage executives declined to comment, but Myles said they are
performing analyses to determine the most cost-effective way to
integrate the trams with the monorail system.

MGM Mirage Chairman Terry Lanni last year talked about integrating
his trams into a single system that would run from Mandalay Bay
through Caesars Palace, which is owned by Harrah's Entertainment,
all the way to Treasure Island.

Myles said the monorail is studying alternatives to integrate the
present system with the MGM Mirage trams or even to replace the MGM
Mirage systems.

Earlier plans for an east-west loop around Fashion Show Mall from
the Las Vegas Convention Center have been scrapped because it would
not put the most riders where they want to go, Myles said.

Brian Gordon, a principal in Las Vegas-based consultants Applied
Analysis, said the added stations are critical for the success of
the monorail system.

Now, the monorail runs along a short, 4-mile route from the Sahara
to the MGM Grand, with stops at the Las Vegas Hilton, the Las Vegas
Convention Center, Harrah's/Imperial Palace, the Flamingo/Caesars
Palace, and Bally's/Paris Las Vegas.

University of Nevada, Las Vegas Professor Bill Thompson, who
specializes in gaming studies, said the added stations are important
to the destination, gaming companies and the community.

Moving tourists and gamblers more conveniently enhances the visitor
experience, he said.

"Plus, stopping at Thomas and Mack is fantastic. That'll make Thomas
and Mack part of the Strip. It'll be a rare evening when there isn't
something going on there and it should cut down on street traffic
and parking as well," Thompson said.

In the long run, Myles said any increased ridership could lead to
reduced fares, especially if that would mean even more riders.

"If people come here and can't move around, it won't be nearly as
successful as it can be and we need to do our part," Myles added.

The Las Vegas Monorail Co. has not determined how its expansion
plans would be funded. However, in the past, casino operators kicked
in around $20 million per station.

Analysts, who declined to comment until they see how any bond
financing is structured, anticipate stronger support from the
airport and from MGM Mirage, once arrangements are finalized.

They said with support like that, it should not be too difficult to
float a new bond offering.

A state guarantee or continued nonprofit status, each of which could
be controversial, also would help, they said.

Greg Borgel, owner of consulting firm Moreno and Associates, said
monies generated by casinos on the Strip will simply have to be used
for transportation improvements, or visitors will face unacceptable
congestion.

The monorail has struggled to gain riders since opening, with
ridership far less than the 50,000 daily riders its backers first
forecast.

The goal is for the system to carry 15 million to 20 million riders
a year by 2016, Myles said, which will amount to about 10 percent of
the rapidly increasing visitors moving about the resort corridor.

The company has yet to produce a profit and its bond rating has been
reduced to "junk" status, though deep cash reserves have kept the
system afloat so far.

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:09 pm

I haven't been able to find the pix. I don't know where your travel album is.

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Postby ChrisLAXEncounter » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:07 pm

This site indicates that grade level, light rail, is a cheaper alternative to monorail:


"By far the greatest cost liability of monorails relates to their greatest inflexibility – their need to be built entirely grade-separated in some fashion, usually elevated. Even for comparatively small, light-capacity monorails, this means relatively huge, elevated stations, with elevators and, especially for higher-traffic locations, escalators.

Even compared to LRT systems with extensive civil works, like tunnels, subways, elevated structures, and viaducts, monorail costs still seem to average more. For cities selecting a preferred mode for regional rail transit development, this implies that investing in monorail technology means much less system spread, and less ridership, for available resources."

http://www.lightrailnow.org/myths/m_monorail001.htm

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Postby ChrisLAXEncounter » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:00 pm

It only makes sense (or dollars) that building above ground is more expensive then building at grade.

However, a monorail along Wilshire Blvd. would be much less expensive, both to build and to operate, then a subway along Wilshire.

The most cost-effective solution would be to have trains along Wilshire, like San Fransisco has along Market. The City would have to eliminate the left turn lanes, like San Francisco, and maybe on-street parking.

Certainly some residential areas would probably object, Hancock Park comes to mind, and some business would sue, claiming a loss of egress or business, but I think it would still be cheaper and better for Los Angeles.

Besides, it would make every day like going to the Getty!

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:42 am

Here's more info. about monorail stations versus light rail stations. (When I wrote my post yesterday, I was rushed.)

According to the DVD mentioned above, monorail stations "can be designed to fit in with any environment. A handful of small pylons are all that's needed in terms of real estate."

As an example, in Japan, a sidewalk-sized transportation corridor was able to accomodate both a monorail line--and a station. This is the Okinawa monorail, which is shown in the film.

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Postby sky » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:13 pm

Nice photo.

The New York World’s Fair monorail also ran under the rail. Is that uncommon? Is it more or less efficient? I would think it would take more energy that way, but what do I know – and it sure looks cool!

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Postby I_LUV_POWER!!!! » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:03 pm

I rode that monorail at the Miami Seaquarium back in 1977. I wonder if it's still in opration?

There was a discussion about it at the Yahoo Group, Progress City back when the group was new (2000), and at least one of my pix of it circa 1977 is in their photo album.

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Postby gfmcginnis » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:59 pm

I've designed two monorails and therefore have an opinion of their future as public transportation in our cities. Forget about it. They are a novelty and along with Light Rail (used to be called trolleys) are costly band-aids until real Rapid Transit is built.

Monorails do not have the inherent stability of two rail systems. They have mechanical stability which any engineer worth his salt would avoid. Some monorail switch designs are engineering marvels. but moving all that metal or concrete is a lot more complicated than a steel rail moving a couple of inches to let a flanged wheel pass through a switch.

The "wheel rearrangers" had there fun with the automobile -- remember the Octomobile with eight wheels? Rail transport has had a similar history inventors trying to improve on hundred and fifty years of rail transport design.

Maglev may have its day, but the steel wheel on the steel rail technology advances causing some to doubt if it will ever replace rail systems. Its a great contest and the best system will win out. You can tell a winner when they quit building the old.
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