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A not very amusing stab at Eichler Preservationists

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Postby SDR » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:48 pm

Why IS it that when something isn't working correctly (the floor heating, in this case), many people will blame the design, and not seek advice on maintenance or other remedies ?

Just wonderin'. . .
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:-{ :wink:

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Postby SDR » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:56 pm

Pictures as they appear in the paper. . .

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The ceiling shots clearly show a sort of clip or shackle-bolt (?) fastening the ridge ends of the rafter beams together. . .is this a typical detail for some Eichlers ?

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Postby ch » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:56 am

Such terrible writing! Everything she doesn't like or understand - radiant heat, retro-furniture, etc. become "weird" in her lazy, unimaginative mind.

It's also a sad reflection on the writer that despite that fact that she is occupying the home her grandmother obviously loved for nearly 40 years that she feels absolutely no emotional or spiritual connection to the place.

Then in closing, rather than acknowledge her own lack of understanding of the established desirabilty of these homes she chooses instead to insult the preservation community.

Instead of teaching journalism she should be studying it. Unless of course her intent is to be inflammatory deliberately. She comes off as just ignorant.
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Postby sdmod » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:11 am

Beyond what eveyone above has said I would add that Eichlers are not expensive to maintain or fix or preserve. Clearly when you do nothing in the way of home maintenance on any house you will have problems and need to spend money to fix them. One of the beauties of these homes is that they are CHEAP! e.g. it costs less to replace VCT than hardwood, it costs less to replace PLAM counters than tile/or stone. Imagine if this same level of negelect occured in a Victorian or Green and Green Style Craftsmen home.......This girl is lazy and beyond lazy she is not very bright.

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Postby Futura Girl » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:05 am

hopefully - some smart Eichler enthusiast will give her pennies on the dollar for her piece of trash home and pick it up for a steal. i mean the place is worthless and should be torn down - so i think it is only fair that she sell it for the price of unimproved land.

hey - i'll buy it at that price!

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Postby agent lemonade » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:47 pm

oh wow.. what an idiot. she said it herself, her grandmother never maintained the house. as with anything, if you don't take care of it, it will not be in tiptop condition.

it's people like her who probably enjoy seeing a new rite-aid on a piece of land that once boast a beautiful mid-century home.

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Well then you can say....

Postby modfan » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:36 am

to her
Now now dear you've had you rant and your cathartic experience, you are familiar with the eichler fans out there, now let us help you compose you real estate ad, we can start with-- 'eichler fans dream, totally original condition eichler, needs appropriate updating into your midmod dream home all for less than a million, ready to sell, let's deal.'


As for the trailer in the back yard and anything else that you don't care about from this house, you can sell those items on e-bay with a similar pitch

Don't whine, find the appropriate market that appreciates these items and house. BUT PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT MARKET AS A TEAR DOWN FOR A MCMANSION (Besides I thought Palo Alto has zoning prohibitions against it.)

...then as turn about as fair play when the appropriate buyer is found and completely updates it, they'll find out about this bbs and will post the after pictures here, then you'll think, I should have kept it....

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Postby Miguel » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:57 am

What a clueless ditz... :roll: |:( |:( |:(

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Postby moderns-r-us » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:02 am

Do you think that this is some kind of twisted marketing ploy, to get the Eichler community worked up and get buyers who are looking for orignal Eichlers to buy the house without her using a realtor?

I guess I am having a hard time imagining someone being this shallow!
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Postby Joe » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:16 am

sheer ignorance.

how much for the trailer?

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Postby CapitalMod » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:36 pm

I love the "Eichlers are old" line.

I guess the Back Bay, Georgetown, Park Slope, the Battery in Charleston, the French Quarter and a good chunk of Europe would hold no appeal for this twit. Of course Grandma's Eichler is a better option than mom's basement

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Postby SDR » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:20 pm

Heh-heh -- what a hoot ! I knew this would get the blood moving. . .

[images of Pavlov's dogs salivating]

Actually: if the little lady is really a clever promoter. . .we've all been taken in ?

So, pretty pictures of a great house, which I'm betting already has a list of interested buyers -- don't you ?

I'm interested in the radical difference in the hues of the two sets of Chronicle images, print vs online.
And they say photographs don't lie. . .!

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Postby spinsLPs » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:33 pm

Here's Curbed SF take on this article:

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Postby SDR » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:20 pm

Hah ! Well, I WISH that was cork. . .but you tell me. [I'm still waiting on word about that rafter beam connection !] :roll:

Is Miss Haley the next Tom Wolfe, do you suppose ?

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Postby SDR » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:05 am

Aaannd. . .the follow-up:

Letters to the editor, SF Chronicle Home & Garden

Few people are neutral about Eichler homes

Saturday, August 5, 2006


Editor -- It was so disheartening to read Kathleen Haley's account of how she continues to neglect what was once and could again be an appealing Eichler home ("Unhappy With Eichler,'' July 29). Constant diligence and initiative are required to maintain the structural integrity and environment of any home, whether it be a Victorian, a McMansion or an Eichler. Pointing fingers at a developer regarding work completed more than 50 years ago is silly, at best.

JASON POINDEXTER

San Francisco

Editor -- The article "Unhappy With Eichler" fails to place the problems of the 52-year-old home in the proper perspective, and exaggerates the issues for comic effect. Obviously, the house has not been properly maintained for decades. Any house of that vintage, Eichler or not, that has not had appropriate maintenance done on it would have roof leaks and plumbing problems. And every tract house of that vintage had either no insulation in the exterior walls, or very poor insulation by modern standards. That was the way all houses were built in that era: no one had heard the term "energy efficiency" because gas and electricity costs were less than $10 per month.
The radiant heat is described as "weird." I understand that the writer has never lived in a home with that type of heating. But to just say it's "weird" and leave it at that is hardly an insightful comment. In fact, radiant heat is common in Europe and modern systems are very efficient and effective. Systems built in the '50s have their drawbacks, but when they are in good working order (as many still are) it is a marvelous way to heat a house: no noise, no dusty air blowing around and warm feet.

I made many of these points to the writer when she interviewed me on the phone, but she chose to ignore them to try to make the article more amusing. In other words, she sacrificed accuracy for effect. And to advocate tearing any home down to build a five-story "monstrosity," even tongue-in-cheek, is irresponsible and insensitive to those who would have to live next to it.

By the way, the reason people "drop the name Eichler when he wasn't even the architect" is because without him, the houses would never have been built. He was the driving force behind the creation of 11,000 mid-century modern homes in California, and what he did was unique and without parallel. That is why two Eichler developments in Palo Alto have been placed on the National Register of Historic Places.

BARRY LEE BRISCO

San Mateo

Editor -- As Eichler homeowners and aficionados respond to Kathleen Haley's disturbing piece of shock journalism, they should not overlook The Chronicle editors who not only approved the story -- as crackbrained and inaccurate as it was -- but underscored its importance with front-page treatment. Shame on you!
Perhaps the story's greatest casualty is Haley's grandmother -- both her memory and the once-great home she loved are disrespected -- and who, in the aftermath, may still be turning in her grave.

MARTY ARBUNICH

Director, Eichler Network,

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Editor -- Oh my, you dared to poke a stick at the Eichler beast, which takes the form of a sacred cow. I think Joseph Eichler deserves credit for hiring architects who went on to fame, for his developments which broke away from the postwar ranch or split-level with picture windows, for the open beamed ceilings and atriums, all for a comparatively low price. Even more commendable was his commitment to sell to all races. But the houses sacrificed livability and convenience to make a statement, and were built before building codes were forced to consider what so much single-paned glass and walls with no insulation meant to the residents and the environment. Like Frank Lloyd Wright and others, he endorsed an early form of technology, radiant heated floors, before the kinks had been worked out. Now, of course, radiant floors have been perfected; whenever my furnace blasts hot air on and off, I wish I had it. Also, homes built by Wright and other architectural superstars are often not really livable. The Kaufmanns couldn't live in Fallingwater; it was cursed with Rising Damp, noise and gloom. But what a statement it makes, even though it had to be pretty much rebuilt to keep it from becoming Falling-into-water. How about hanging out in Corbu's Villa Savoie, or Johnson's Glass House? It would be just as enjoyable as having a Francis Bacon painting in your breakfast room.
MARION BLACKMER

Oakland

Editor -- First off, I absolutely LOVED LOVED LOVED your article. It was so true and pretty funny!
I'm sorry though that you will undoubtedly be flooded with e-mails from the opposition party, the Eichler police is what I regard them to be.

I live in an Eichler in the San Mateo Highlands. I am very familiar with the Barry Briscos and Marty Arbuniches. We were at war with them not too long ago about building restrictions and all that. If those two wouldn't mind paying my bills and home repairs and my mortgage to preserve these Eichlers, then maybe I wouldn't have needed to have gone to war.

KATHRYN KUO

San Mateo Highlands

Editor -- The writer missed the point of why people love Eichlers -- it's called "design." They are called Eichlers, after the developer because he was one of the few that insisted on using architects. (Most developers didn't want that extra expense.) I've lived in Eichlers for 40 years and have been a Realtor selling them for 17 years. No one ever said that Eichler used good materials or that you could let it stay untouched for 40 years -- what you have is a wonderful floor plan, usually a nice size lot in a good area and radiant heating that properly cared for is the cleanest, greatest heating available.
One of the interesting things to me is how many people that grew up in Eichlers, now want to own them. Design, design, design, location, location, location. I have a daughter that is now redoing her second Eichler. Both were homes that probably were in the same condition as Kathleen Haley's grandmother's house. The costs are no more than remodeling any home. By the way, if Haley is interested in selling that orange sofa, let me know.

SYLVIA MERKADEAU

San Mateo

Editor -- I couldn't agree more about Eichler-built homes. Even in the 1960s and 1970s it was cheap construction and design, not to mention what it is some 50 years later. Many new homes were built in the post-World War II 1950s -- Dolger, Eichler, Oddstad, Stoneson. After 50 years, all the homes need some repairs and updating, and a new roof. But the Eichlers have so little quality in the basic structure to work with. I am amazed at the cult following that Eichler has. I guess that is what keeps them from being torn down.
C. TRAWICK

San Francisco

Editor -- In defense of Joe Eichler, a bit of history. Far from bizarre, radiant floor heating systems were cutting edge in the '50s and earlier. Frank Lloyd Wright's plans for the Hanna House at Stanford called for radiant floor heating (Mrs. Hanna rejected the idea and designed a hot air system herself instead). A problem with early Eichlers was the limited availability of copper piping during and after World War II. The galvanized steel pipe substituted tended to corrode and leak. The insulation R-values cited were not in effect when the first Eichlers were built.
Joe was far from the stereotyped sleazy developer depicted. To his everlasting credit he was a courageous pioneer fair-housing builder when African Americans seeking housing found few if any real estate agents or builders in the Palo Alto area who would sell them a house. Unfortunately, this is still often true.

JOHN RUTHERFORD

San Francisco

Editor -- Need I even say it: a gift horse that takes a dump on your lawn is still a gift horse. In a time when even non-freelancers can barely afford to make rent on frighteningly small and ugly places in the Bay Area, I cannot even begin to measure how much chutzpah one would have to possess to tell us this tale of "woe." The writer lives in an architecturally significant home that, for better or worse, is historically intact, more because of your grandmother's laziness in maintaining it than anything else. It's rent-free. It's worth a fortune. Cry me a river.
JULIE POLITO

San Francisco

Editor -- Thanks for Kathleen Haley's forthright critique on the Emperor's new clothes. I've been inside of a few of these places and I'm with you: shoddy construction, no regard for energy efficiency and, geez, can't the walls go all the way to the ceiling? Instead of being canonized, Eichler should be vilified: Barely 50 years after being constructed, these houses are resource hogs whether one tries to update and maintain them or destroy them and start over. If you're looking for another icon to topple, take a look at Wright. You'll hear about leaky roofs, bad room flow, inappropriate construction techniques and materials.
STEVE HAMNER

San Francisco

Editor -- Kathleen Haley's house sounds like a handyman special in the worst (and I do mean worst) way. But no house is designed to go 50-plus years without maintenance and updates. Her family's decisions not to replace elements that needed replacing at the end of their normal lifespan (say, the roof) -- or not to do basic upgrades like blowing in insulation -- is responsible for the house's grim condition. This is common in houses where the owners aged in place -- it has little to do with Eichler and a lot to do with the mind-set of the Great Depression generation. Rest assured that many a modern McMansion will be pretty grim in 2056 if the basic maintenance is neglected.
WENDE FELLER

San Francisco

Editor -- There are people out there who live in cars or under freeways because they can't afford a home. Haley should be thankful for having a grandmother who kept her home in the family. Haley's article was another example of the truth in the old saying that "they don't make them like they used to" -- and I don't mean the house.
JAMES O. CLIFFORD SR.

Redwood City

Editor -- Thank you for writing the article on the facts of Eichler money pits. I also wonder why, in this time of skyrocketing home heating and cooling, anyone would think an Eichler is worth anything other then the energy required to tear it down.
Interesting note: My housemates' parents own the only two-story Eichler I know of. There may be others, but I don't know of any. It is in Burlingame. I am always fixing something over there. Boy, I bet you are going to get some negative mail on this one. Thanks again for doing a great public service.

RIK SAUER

San Bruno

Editor -- We bought our Eichler house in 1955, before it was built, so I saw its bones and took precautions. Ours was in Walnut Creek, which has a less forgiving climate than Palo Alto. First of all, I found that the house was oriented badly toward the sun, so I asked the Rancho San Miguel manager to flip it, which merely involved turning the blueprints (and forms for the foundation) upside down. When he agreed, I also requested (and got) the house on either side to be flipped, so our patios wouldn't be looking at each other. Next, as the house went up and I learned there was no insulation between the inside and outside plywood panels, I went on a weekend and nailed insulation between the studs of the west-facing bedroom. It was a good 20 degrees cooler in the summer than the bathroom next to it. I had a pressure-relief valve installed at the water meter. That kept the radiant heating system from springing leaks. We laid no rugs on the floor, which meant the heat radiated upward instead of into the ground. I had double curtains installed that went all the way up to the ceiling, rather than ending at door-frame height as most Eichlers did. That kept the heat from radiating through the upper glass panels at night. We kept the thermostat constant day and night, because the radiant heating system was very slow. I turned the radiant heat off in the master bedroom so it would be cool at night. We had an evaporative cooler on the roof, which worked OK until the valley filled up and the desert dryness left.
I loved that house, and didn't learn until much later that it was inspired by the Frank Lloyd Wright "Usonian" house.

Now a confession: my wife hated it for many of the reasons you cite, even though I had foresightedly mitigated the worst problems. We bought the house for $18,750 with a 4.25 percent GI loan and $550 down. The price included dishwasher, Disposall, washer and dryer. At that we had to stretch our budget to own it. We sold it in 1960 for about $24,500, which meant after closing costs, sales commission, and the improvements we put in (like landscaping), we just broke even. Today, of course, despite its shortcomings and being in the East Bay, it's worth more. (www.zillow.com says $712,000.)

KARL STERNE

Alameda

Editor -- Don't worry. I am not an Eichler owner, so there will be no threats of death or dismemberment. But ... I am an Eichler admirer, having seen several in Marin that are among the most stunning homes I have ever set foot in. What you failed to explain was that there are solutions to the problems that you described. In my case I stay toasty warm during the winter, and came through the recent heat wave in virtual air-conditioned comfort by virtue of a sprayed polyurethane foam roof.
In any event, when you are in the mood to give away that Eichler, please let me know. Like many others, I would treasure it -- and also do a bit of remodeling.

JEFF BEAVER

Mill Valley

Editor -- I grew up in an Eichler in Palo Alto. I lived in our Eichler from 1978 until 1989, and then on and off for some of the years until my dad sold the house in 2000. Perhaps the radiant heat in Haley's grandmother's Eichler wasn't working because the house was so old? I'm just a bit confused, because the way you described it was "weird." I found it to be a brilliant way to keep a house pleasantly warm all the time, without a huge heating bill. And in the summer, the house stayed relatively cool. Anyway, considering my parents bought the house for $135,000 in 1978, and sold it in 2000 for more than $1 million -- no doubt as much because of the location as because of the nostalgia for the type of house it was -- I would move back in, especially if it were given to me for free, in a heartbeat!
GAL A. SPINRAD

Oakland

Editor -- I am so happy that Kathleen Haley had the guts to write this article. I do not own an Eichler, but I hate them with a passion, having visited a few in our home search a few years ago. They are some of the ugliest homes in town and as you pointed out, need a lot of work. I do not understand the movement to preserve them.
ADELE GERSHATER

Palo Alto

Editor -- Regarding your "Unhappy With Eichler" article, I am not writing to praise the virtues of Eichlers, though there are many, or explain why Eichler deserves to have his name attached to these homes. Research just a bit deeper than that done by the writer of your article would make these things clear. Instead, I want to object to your publishing an article by such an obviously uninformed "journalist." Does she not know that any home that has not been maintained and updated for 50 years would be little more than a leaky roof over your head? That building codes and available resources were considerably different 50 years ago? Or even that radiant heat, used in many new homes today, is not only not "weird" but the quietest, cleanest heating system available? Or did she just know that any article with "Eichler" in the title, and especially one that takes a different point of view than most of the Eichler articles published, no matter how shallow and stupid it is, had a good chance of being splashed across the front page of The Chronicle's Home&Garden section. Eichlers, after all, are very "in" and "in" subjects sell newspapers.
AILEEN FRIEDMAN

San Rafael

Editor -- Joseph Eichler's name is remembered for two reasons. Eichler made well-designed architecture affordable for the masses. Unlike most other builders then and now, he hired actual architects to draw up the plans, rather than just building what was cheap or trendy, and he was a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright. His stuff looks a lot better than typical mid-century tract housing. It is a shame that few developers today follow his example.
Second, in the '50s and early '60s, there were no fair housing laws, and segregation was the norm in California. Many developers would only sell houses to white Christians. Eichler was Jewish, and he sold his homes to anyone who had the money, something we take for granted now, but well ahead of his time.

DEBORAH FRANKEL

San Francisco

Editor -- The wrecking ball has been used to replace homes having "character" with homes that are cheaply built and unappealing to boot. Your house may be beyond saving, but your experiences and lack of capital to remedy the problems do not convince me that that is the case. So, as suggested, please try to direct the sale to a fan of the style.
JOHN LAMONT

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Editor -- I was born and raised in Palo Alto, so I spent many years of my youth in Eichlers. I am right now participating in the renovation of the kitchen of my in-laws' well-taken-care-of Eichler.
In my short life, I have had to watch the depressing transformation of my hometown into an ugly, tacky collection of monster homes. Although the damage is almost already done, it is highly irritating to know that ill-informed articles like this one, published in credible papers like The Chronicle, will only provide more support to those who wish to continue the vile transformation of Palo Alto's south side neighborhoods.

ARAN JOHNSON, Oakland

formerly of Palo Alto

Editor -- I grew up in an Eichler during the '70s and '80s and experienced the same problems with plumbing and lack of warmth. I can recall one evening in particular when some friends came over and we huddled around a portable heater and as we talked we could see our breath. My dog and cat used to also fight over who could get closest to the heater when it was cold. I have to say though, the radiant heating made it better when waking up in the morning and having warm soothing heat on the bottom of your feet. During the late '80s PG&E had a program that offered insulation (in the walls) at a low price, which could be paid in installments. I promptly signed my mom's home up for the program. What a difference it made!
LUCY MEDINA

San Jose

Editor -- Most of northern Europe relies on "funky" radiant floor heating. Not sure what materials were used back then, but today they are very high quality and efficient, with warm water circulating throughout the house. Temperatures can be regulated very precisely in individual rooms, allowing you to save money by using heat only where needed (we have much higher energy prices here, e.g., gas is more than $5 per gallon and has been for years).
TIM RYAN LUCERNE

Switzerland

Editor -- I glazed many of these Eichlers in the '50s, not so much in Palo Alto, but in San Mateo Highlands, Terra Linda and Lucas Valley (San Rafael). I am familiar with some of what the writer discussed.
Radiant heating: an older couple bought a home in Lucas Valley. Word got around that they were running up PG&E bills topping $100 a month. This was in the time most of us were paying $10 to $15 month. This was before we were becoming aware of heat transmission through large window areas.

I think the concept was good. One of my kids lives in a faux Eichler in Rohnert Park that has been improved and updated with safety/thermal glazing and a peaked roof with better insulation. They are quite satisfied with their home. A cousin had an Eichler in Palo Alto. Had a plumbing problem that involved cutting into the slab. Not cheap! Not easy! Messy and noisy!

The article didn't mention fire hazard. A couple in the Highlands went up in about six or seven minutes. That Philippine mahogany plywood (3/16-inch thick) was such a hazard that San Francisco made Eichler put Sheetrock behind paneling in the townhomes they were building near the Cow Place in the later '50s.

DICK WILSON

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Postby SDR » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:18 am

But first, Home & Garden editor Lynette Evans -- who should be tickled pink at the healthy response to the article by Ms Haley ? -- chooses to chide some of her readers for their tone. . . :

It's only a house
- Lynette Evans
Saturday, August 5, 2006

Apologies to Chronicle columnist Jon Carroll for treading on his turf, but I must comment on the plethora -- and tone -- of the e-mail the Home&Garden section has received regarding Kathleen Haley's first-person story about her experiences living in her late grandmother's unrestored and ill-maintained Eichler house ("Unhappy With Eichler," July 29). Frankly, I thought Home&Garden readers were more polite.

One letter writer, in the throes of fixing up a recently purchased Eichler, asked not to be named because "those who love Eichlers are extremist about their views. At times I feel like a liberal in a red state: if you don't love Eichlers, you must be unpatriotic."

The following epithets -- pathetic, spoiled, whiny, ignorant, peasant, pampered, self-centered, garbage, sophomoric, juvenile, snide, stupid, rude, moron, idiot, offensive, bum and the other b-word -- were hurled at both the writer and editor. Allusions to bodily functions and suggestions for where we should spend eternity were not uncommon. Some people signed their names; others did so unwittingly; e.g.: "With articles like this, the continued decline of this newspaper to complete garbage seems inevitable," wrote "A Responsible Citizen" whose real name nevertheless appeared at the top of his e-mail.

I don't for a moment believe that such vitriol is typical of the normal speech of aficionados of the affordable, midcentury modern houses built by developer Joseph Eichler, or even of those who orchestrated the letter-writing campaign (more than 140 letters to Home&Garden and 23,000 hits on SFGate.com, and seemingly endless diatribes on blogs), although it appears to be de rigueur for some bloggers on Curbed SF and www.ApartmentTherapy.com.

I realize that name-calling has been legitimized as a form of political speech in this country, and the relative anonymity afforded by the Internet gives people cover to vent, but that doesn't make it right. More important, such bullying doesn't further the debate about houses any more than it does on important topics such as war and peace.

As the editor of the section, I chose the story as much to give readers a glimpse through a time warp -- where else would one find a completely unrestored (if admittedly ill-maintained) house, authentically furnished in the period? -- as it was to publish the writer's (mis)adventures living there.

That there is a debate on the importance of Joseph Eichler's postwar houses is well known, and that Eichler owners can be passionate about them was acknowledged by many writers, most of whom offered useful insight into the history and design as well as solutions to problems common to these houses. It is a discussion that we have included on these pages in the past and will again in future. (For today, you can read some of that insight on pages F2 and F3.)

We welcome feedback, pro and con, on the articles and photos we print, but I hope readers will remember it's the Home&Garden section. In the greater scheme of things, the topics we cover aren't paramount. And, as Chronicle Urban Design Writer John King told me: "Eichlers are houses. Period. They ain't splinters from the Cross."

E-mail Home&Garden Editor Lynette Evans at levans@sfchronicle.com.

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Postby Futura Girl » Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:10 pm

well that explains it - stupid articles get backed by stupid editors.

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Postby roadsidepictures » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:47 pm

How could they miss this...

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Postby Lynxwiler » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:22 pm

Oh my gd.

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Postby Chimay » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:50 pm

Friends don't let friends live in McMansions
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Postby spinsLPs » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:19 am

And now the latest from Curbed SF

Mocking Modernism: The Eichler Taliban Strikes Back



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Postby sdmod » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:39 pm

From th elink from SpinsLPs

"Preservation is not frivolous, and people choose to live in these problematic anachronisms :? because they love them. Sadly, Ms. Haley was forced by poverty and circumstance to live in one. Others wish they could, and honor them all the same."





Somebody at the Chronical is making weekend runs to Humboldt County. This stuff is cracking me up. This story is not about preservation, it is about common sense or...lack of common sense. Common sense says that any 50 year old building needs to be maintained. If economy forced granny to live in an Eichler maybe her grandaughter should be thanking Joe Eichler for building affordable homes rather than ripping him for the fact that her grandmother did not take care of it. :roll:

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Postby Joe » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:37 pm

they must be bored at the Chronic. any dumb a s s editor who let such an inflammatory story run know shite was going to hit the fan.

if anything, the story should be a wake up call to eichler owners and fans that not everybody loves these wonderful gems.


here's a twist... I have never seen that particular model before. I know J&E and A+A did a lot of expirementing in PA, but do we know for sure this house is actually an Eichler?

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