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Postby Futura Girl » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:49 pm

P.S. mark

any chance you you could show how the back would look?

check out the various historic overhead photos - notice how much more shallow and interetesting the mid section was.

if they demolished the inappropriate insensative addition done by Robert Larson - looks like some time in the late 80s - early 90s... (AND HOW MUCH do you wanna bet they already did asbestos abatement at that time?) it would have more of the feeling of a welcome center.

Blow this one up at home:
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this is kinda lousy - BUT shot from the back
http://www.library.unlv.edu/about/images/0062_0138f.jpg

THIS is great - but too large to post here:
http://www.library.unlv.edu/speccol/uni ... lv(ca.1959).jpg

COPY AND PASTE the links

ooop - it looks like fromt the air view - the additions were done by 1968 when this photo was taken: (building is on the far right of the pic.
http://www.library.unlv.edu/speccol/uni ... _unlv(1968).jpg

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Postby JMVegas5866 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:16 pm

Mark - I love the rendering you've done of the Maude Hall. Very nice!

I agree on your outtake of the landscaping and like how you have the palms and the smaller plants arranged as it is nice and subtle and it keeps the build the main focus.

I like the study addition. It works nicely and doesn't take away from the building.

The materials... I like the gray facing you've used. I agree with incorporating terrazzo. My only input would be about the brick. I thought maybe a flagstone (not sure of the correct term) would maybe work well also. I like your renderings because they define the buildings features and you can see it better now as opposed to old photographs and present photographs. I've been looking at the shared photos of the Hall all week now along with the new rendering and now it is reminding me of the same feel of the lower entrance way on the Red Rock Casino which I thought they did a great job of bringing back MCM design and building it with the new hip materials. For the brick I was looking at a material along the lines of what's pictured in the following photo:

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The reddish brown brick is neat as well as the design in the light tan brick-like facing. What do you guys think? Just a suggestion and idea I wanted to share. Their lettering where it says 'casino' I think is very close to futura girls request :D

Then I seen this picture and liked the palms that swoop.

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I'm a fan of those palms that curve and swoop because they have a lot of character. Notice in this picture they work well and don't take away from the focus of the unique design of the building, just as you have mastered in your new rendering. I'm not an architect so I'm not an expert to judge if those particular style of palms would work well in the Maude restoration project? What say you?

My last inquiry would be about the American Flag. Is that still there? I can't remember. If not I'd like to make a small request for it to be incorporated back into the restoration project if all possible :wink:

You guys are doing a fabulous job. Keep up the good work!
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Mark! Of Vegas Today and Tomorrow fame!???

Postby Josh Geidel » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:55 pm

Hey! I have been a HUGE fan of your site ever since I read about it some time ago in LV Weekly or CityLife, can't remember which.

Anyways, I immediately saw what you have going on there and VERY MUCH appreciate your work. I have made it a personal point to hip everyone I can get the ear of to check it out. Definitely on of the best resources we have for future plans available to us "lay" people.

In fact I think I am gonna make a special emphasis to present it to my company next week!

Love your stuff man, thanks for the renderings and thanks for your support and presence!

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http://vegastodayandtomorrow.com/
Check it out!

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Postby Futura Girl » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:42 pm

it's true, mark.
once josh mentioned it - i remembered how i had heard of your site!
he's one of your biggest fans -

i also talked to brian paco tonight and he is also a member here and says a big HOWDY to you!

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Postby Mark A » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:02 am

Thanks, everyone, for your kind words and suggestions.

Hey, Jayne Mansfields Prince, We're on the same page. I hate the brick but was trying to preserve as much of the original as possible. I use limestone in many of my renderings and am a huge fan of that material. It was heavily used in the 50's 60's, so I replaced the brick with it before I read your post LOL.

I updated the model fixing several inaccuracies. I also built the back, as Futura Girl suggested, removing the 80's addition and revealing the courtyard and park beyond. You can see the park from the front door. Hey Futura Girl, you can print these for the meeting. I sized them to print on 8 1/2 X 14 Legal paper. You can also see them at

I hope the meeting goes well and that my renderings help show what a great building this could be with a little fixin' up.

I will also create a page on Explaining the cause and asking my readers to sign the petition

This project has been a blast and it's been my pleasure to donate the time. Sorry to take up so much space, there are quite a few renderings below.



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Postby Futura Girl » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:48 am

THESE ARE BRILLIANT!

i just finished writing and timing my speech for the regents and i am printing them out right now - wow wow wow

we we are very indebted to you for your generosity.
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Postby Mark A » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:16 am

OK, I created the Maud Frazier Hall page at:


I also put it on the updates page (which is visited by about 5,000 folks daily). That ought to get the petition numbers up.

Good luck M&M

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Postby JMVegas5866 » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:31 pm

Mark - WOW ~! We are indeed definitely on the same page! Your new renderings of the Hall are exactly along the lines of what I was imagining in my mind. Thanks for creating the new model. I love it!!! Sweeeeeeet!!!!!! This is so exciting! :D Yeah, glad you changed out the brick with the limestone/flagstone. I love the light tan/cream colored material you used to replace some of the gray. It makes the buildings unique features stand out more using 3 colors. I also think that color scheme works well as if I recall correctly those similar colors are used on the Lied Library. So that should be beneficial when presenting this at meetings. I don't see why the regents would reject this, though I don't know what they had in mind if they were to replace the Maude Hall. Anyone know?

Futura Girl - Wow, the back of the building is very cool looking. I like the little court yard type area in the back! Good luck on your meeting with the regents!
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Postby Futura Girl » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:47 pm

FACTS
*the county planning commission voted unanimously to preserve maude frazier hall
*most of the regents showed support for at least looking at the possibility of preserving maude frazier hall
*our online petition shows overwhelming support locally and nationwide for this building - over 700 signatures in 48 hours. KEEP EM COMING
*mark e. adams from www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com donated what was easily several thousand dollars worth of architectural work showing how beautiful the building would be after restoration

EVENTS
couple hour discusssion about how underfunded the system is and how they're going to have to lay off teachers or close the school down or raise the tuition....

public comment -
the chair said we were only to use 30 seconds to comment -
mary joy, then paco, then finally me.
i will let pam or paco characterize how the regent chair treated me when i got up to speak.

after the regents looked over the renderings - UNLV president david ashley did not even look at the renderings and pronounced that he supported demolition, "the master plan was brought to this board in 2004 and was voted upon."

BACKGROUND
To say that we are disappointed in his attitude is an understatement. This master plan was decided upon roughly a year and a half before Dr. Ashley was even president of the university which would have given him the right and the opportunity to be open to at the very least - looking at any updates or new data that has come up since 2004.

the 2004 master plan assumes that a private developer (one of them being mike saltman) will build a large residence tower just across the street from maude frazier hall. the word that i have heard on the street in our current real estate environment is that project ain't gonna happen anytime soon. so i question why this rush to demolish when there is supposedly no money and both civic and grass root support for preservation?

Sonja and Mike Saltman co-founded the Saltman Center for Conflict Resolution at UNLV’s William S. Boyd School of Law in 2003.
The Saltmans also support several UNLV academic programs through the President’s Inner Circle Giving Club and a graduation award in the College of Liberal Arts.
http://www.jewishlasvegas.com/page.html ... eID=120582

BACK TO EVENTS
the regent chair also claimed to say that the asbestos in the building would make it financially impossible to retore it.

there has never been an economic feasibility study regarding this - so i am not sure where this expertise came from?


DECISION
so ultimately the final decision today was that the agenda item #18 regarding maude frazier hall was for "information purposes" and was not voted upon.

agenda item #19 dealt with ALL historic buildings on all nevada campus and the vote on that was that Dr. Ashley should form a task force to look further into this.

AFTERMATH
the most fascinating thing is that erroneous information was given to the channel 8 news and it was reported that "the regents voted to demolish maude frazier hall"

this never happened! where did they got that news tip from? and why?

i am not normally a conspriacy theorist, but it is also interesting that on tues - the same channel 8 news also erroneously reported that the building did not qualify for national register historic status when it does.
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Postby SDR » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:23 pm

Wonderful work, Mark. Don't tell me a picture isn't worth a thousand words. . .! The renderings just sing.

Congratulations to everybody for working so hard on this.

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Postby Futura Girl » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:47 pm

we have been in touch with the vp of channel 8 news and will be getting together with him next week to see what they can do to undo the damage they did by telling everyone it will be demolished, when in actuality we have a VERY VERY good chance of saving it.

las vegas locals - please spread THAT news to anyone you meet.call or email channel 8 telling them you are outraged that they would report the wrong news on this matter - not once BUT TWICE.
(702) 792-8870

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the news was wrong.
we are gonna save this building.

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check my notes from the 30th - a few posts up.

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Postby Dr. Swanky » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:11 pm

Here's my letter to Mr. Schumacher:

As a professor at UNLV and having talked to many students about Maude Frazier Hall in the past couple of weeks, I can say that there seems to be a general sentiment among these members of the UNLV community to save this building.

I do think that Mr. Schumacher makes a good point with Morrill Hall at UNR, but in the wrong direction. It is my guess that in about 1936 many people at UNR saw this building as aged and out of date, something that should be torn down. However, to the luck of UNR, others saw this building as an important piece of UNR history. Thus, Morrill Hall is still standing. Similarly here at UNLV in 2007, midcentury modern architecture is misunderstood and so undervalued by some in our community. Luckily, this is not so across most North America today.

Mr. Schumacher, how do you think that universities like Harvard and Oxford have come to look as they do? It comes from not tearing down buildings as they mature. Have you ever walked around the UCLA campus? I gave a talk there just a couple of weeks ago and noted the fine mixture of buildings ranging in age from the university's beginnings in the early 1900s up through today, including the 1950s and 60s.

I find it interesting how in all this talk in the media about Maude Frazier Hall a dialogue with people like Eugene Moehring and Andrew Kirk of the UNLV history department is noticeably absent. These two fine historians have considerable insight into the importance of Maude Frazier Hall to UNLV and Las Vegas. Why not let their voices be heard?

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Postby Futura Girl » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:22 pm

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Postby jenniezane » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:46 pm

http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/article/20 ... etermined/


Article in the UNLV student newspaper
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Postby Dr. Swanky » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:00 pm

There has to be some hard numbers out there on tear down versus just the asbestos removal from a building. Like egads just said, the asbestos removal has to be done either way. If we had some actual numbers for a building of a certain square footage that we could show/tell people, it might be quite helpful. What do you think?

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Postby JMVegas5866 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:36 am

I was curious to know if there were any special features architecturally on the inside that once existed or still exists? Or has the inside been gutted beyond recognition over the years? The highest section of the building off to the right side; is that a loft area or does the ceiling just open up to that? Are there any pictures available out there of the inside of the Maude Frazier Hall? Thanks! :wink:
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Postby Futura Girl » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:54 pm

some links for our records:

the plans
http://midtown.unlv.edu

http://www.uli.org/AM/Template.cfm?Sect ... isplay.cfm

the people behind the plans
http://thevistagroup.net/

notes from the regents
http://system.nevada.edu/Board-of-R/Mee ... Ref.-G.pdf

mike saltman - philanthropist
http://magazine.unlv.edu/Issues/Winter0 ... opist.html
"Saltman and his wife, Sonja, '78 BA and '80 MA Psychology, gave $1 million to the Saltman Center for Dispute Resolution at the William S. Boyd School of Law. Additionally, the Saltmans contributed $50,000 to the UNLV Foundation Building Fund and $10,000 in video equipment to the UNLV football program. The couple also funds a $1,000 award for a College of Liberal Arts graduate each year."

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Postby Futura Girl » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:40 pm

just got off the phone with ronald james our SHPO
Nevada State Historic Preservation Officer.

first he told me - don't bother nominating it - it was going to be torn down anyways.
why does this sound familiar to me... FLASHBACK... I remember getting the same type of talk when i first started inquiring about La Concha back in 2003 - nevada historic preservation people saying - don't bother - you can't save it???



First he says, don’t bother doing a state landmark. it won’t pass, because it requires owner approval. and don’t bother doing a national landmark because it won’t help you save the building.
Then I told him we had a possibility of getting owner approval.
then he said - well a state landmark won't do you any good - it's just an honorary thing.
Then he changed again and said – well, we won’t process any more state applications because we discontinued that program.
the state cut back funding and there are no more nevada state landmarks.

after my continued persistence, he finally said, well, go ahead and submit a national landmark and we’ll pass it along.

http://dmla.clan.lib.nv.us/docs/shpo/

so no more Nevada State Landmarks Commission.
no more state markers.

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Postby jenniezane » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:07 pm

seems like reason enough to push for some teeth to city and county preservation laws. Who cares if it has state/national designation if we have local designations that mean something and are actively enforced?
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Postby Futura Girl » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:16 pm

CHECK OUT Mark E. Adam's drawings in the LATEST issue of Las Vegas City Life!!!!
http://www.lasvegascitylife.com/article ... 701868.txt

congrats!!!

we'll try to pick up siome extra copies for you mark...
now you gotta come to vegas and visit!

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Postby Futura Girl » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:21 pm

Old, ugly and in the way
How do you garner support to save a historic building that, well, isn't exactly a hottie?

by ANDREW KIRALY

GEE, IT HAD ALL THE MAKINGS of a story about triumph in the face of overwhelming odds: A small but vocal group protesting the demolition of a historic UNLV building launches a campaign of changing hearts and minds. The skeptical frowns of dour officials melt away as they see the light and -- at the 11th hour -- change course and save the building! Joyful tears! Relieved laughter! Cue credits and inspirational closing score!

But this isn't quite happening like that.

"Originally our plan was, and technically still is, to probably demolish Maude Frazier Hall sometime next fall," says Gerry Bomotti, UNLV's senior vice president for finance and business.

Indeed, two-and-a-half months after asking UNLV officials to preserve Maude Frazier Hall -- and even rallying Clark County commissioners to their cause -- historic preservation advocates are scratching their heads as they wonder why the building is still on the chopping block -- and why top-tier UNLV officials seem so deaf to their cause. Built in 1957, Maude Frazier Hall was the first building on the UNLV campus, an example of mid-century Modern architecture. The building's namesake, Maude Frazier, was an educator and lawmaker credited with planting the seeds of UNLV.

"At the [Nov. 20] regents meeting, they did nothing. They didn't even to put it to a vote," says Mary-Margaret Stratton, executive director of preservation group Atomic Age Alliance. "I came away with the impression that maybe there were some other agenda going on." But UNLV officials have made it clear that, historical or not, revamping the asbestos-laden building would prove too costly; UNLV President David Ashley did not return phone calls.

If Frazier is torn down, it'll mark the end of a nice winning streak. Proponents of preservation have scored several high-profile coups in recent years. They pulled the lobby of La Concha Inn from the path of the wrecking ball. They shepherded the Morelli House to a safe haven downtown. But Maude Frazier hall seems to be presenting unique challenges to preservationists: A homely old building on a campus with a current administration all starry-eyed over a major redevelopment. This battle has split along some curious philosophical lines: UNLV officials -- including a new president -- who run the campus and chart the school's course, and historic preservationists, who feel the wider community has a stake of ownership in Frazier Hall.

Never mind that activists got a resolution from the county commission that calls for saving the building. Never mind the support of several university regents, such as Mark Alden. "My stance is simple: Maude Frazier was a hero to us in Southern Nevada. Now they want to blow up the building. I don't get it," says Alden. "This school was never supposed to happen. And if not for Maude Frazier, it wouldn't have happened."

Preservationists find two foes in their path: The 2004 campus master plan, which calls for the razing of Maude Frazier Hall, and Midtown UNLV. Midtown UNLV is a partnership between UNLV and local developers that hopes to transform the University District into a lively, pedestrian-friendly cultural hub for students, teachers and residents. The biggest player in that game is developer Mike Saltman of the Vista Group. He owns the Promenade shopping center just across Maryland Parkway, and an interest in the University Park Apartments to the north of campus, where new student housing is on the drawing board. He insists, however, he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

"Whatever UNLV decides to do, I can live with that," says Saltman. "But there's no agreement of any kind between Saltman and Midtown and UNLV [to tear down Maude Frazier Hall]. I have no feeling either way. Midtown is not going to rise or fall on the Maude Frazier building."

Another reason the building evokes little sympathy among UNLV higher-ups is because, well, the building isn't exactly an architectural gem. Or is it? The campaign to save Frazier has drawn advocates from unexpected quarters, such as Mark Adams, who runs www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com, a website that tracks construction projects in Las Vegas with an exhaustive range of maps, renderings, pictures and statistics. Adams was so fired up he supplied his own rendering of what a rehabbed Maude Frazier Hall might look like.

"It's a gem sitting under a pile of crap," says Adams. "I'm not a fan of it just because of its history. It's the actual building I'm a fan of, too." His own vision shows a sleek, even graceful building uncluttered by trees and stucco. "The '70s and '80s hated what had been built in the '50s and '60s, and it all got covered up and uglified."

UNLV's Bomotti says more meetings will be slated to address the building's cloudy future. Maybe if history's made pretty enough, it might open a few new eyes.

"Still, even if it's the ugliest building on the planet, it's the first building on campus," says Brian Paco Alvarez, a curator and urban historian. "You can't get past that."


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