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Postby reverb2000 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:00 pm

My wife and I recently bought this project house. We are currently at WTF were we thinking stage. It gets a little overwhelming sometimes, at kinda at a loss with what to do with some portions of the house. The original house was built in 35, then the remodel in 68. The front portion is traditional and the back is more MCM. Here a couple of pics. PLEASE interject criticisims or ideas.
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Postby jesgord » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:18 pm

Welcome to the forum! Looking forward to seeing you place.....but the pics are not showing.

You will find enumerable people here, with vast amounts of knowledge, who will certainly help you feel less overwhelmed. Again, welcome!

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Postby reverb2000 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:18 pm

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seems there should be a covering here?

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Postby reverb2000 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:20 pm

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Roof needs extending somehow...water is coming in the door

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not very exciting front of the house

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Postby reverb2000 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:24 pm

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I dont like this part of the house. The short roof allows for water to get on the porch, and of course its not graded.

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ya baby ...YA. thats all I can say about this one

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Postby reverb2000 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:26 pm

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new ikea kitchen. its bright white with protective film on. the counter will be orange corian.[/img]

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Postby egads » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:22 pm

Gutters, grading, possibly drain lines.

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Postby Perks » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:39 pm

Welcome to the "how on earth did I talk myself into buying this house" club.

Interesting composition of the house. Looks like it has a lot of possibilities. Way cool fireplace too!

But...Wow. That carpet. Wow. :eek:

Can't wait to see how the orange Formica looks in the kitchen. Keep those photos coming...
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Postby ch » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:09 am

My suggestion is to focus on one room that has a door. Finish that room completely and decorate it. Then, when you are feeling overwhelmed there will be a small sanctuary to escape to that will remind you that in time it will all come together.

Looks like you lucked out with those brick floors - not much to do on them! Kitchens and bathrooms are an endless series of details that never seem to get done. At least it's summer and you can cook and shower outside in the meantime.

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Postby robbhouston » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:59 am

Interesting house! Lots of potential. Appears to have pretty good bones from the photos (aside from what sounds like some roof/water issues). Congrats!

As far as the "WTF were we thinking" situation....I know it can feel daunting, but try not to be overwhelmed by it all. For me and my home make over (see link in signature), thinking as big picture as possible most of the time, then coming up with "doable" plans (ie: you have the $$$ & ability to do yourself, or someone you can afford to pay has the ability to do it) that are within budget and can actually be pulled off. Finally...keep making as much progress as possible everyday. Set a goal for that day, or perhaps that weekend, and strive to reach it.

As far as suggestions...There are clearly some seriously overgrown landscaping issues that likely need to be slashed, burned and rethought. Doing that would truly transform the first impression of the place. However, since you live inside the house, I'd delay that in favor of making progress inside.

One of the things I love about MCM is consistency throughout (color schemes, flooring finishes, window treatments, light fixtures, etc...). And even though your home's modern touches are subtle, the same approach might work. Judging from your photos, the kitchen seems to be well underway to being renewed. Since there are no photos of the baths, can't really suggest there. Beyond that, I might be working toward picking a color scheme and do a full interior paint job. That'll really freshen up the place. Make sure your painter is willing and able to repair wall gouges and blemishes (and/or remove obsolete electrical switches, outdated heating controls, etc...) along the way. Be sure to preserve any nice natural wood walls and or cabinetry, refinish as needed. That'll keep the place from being too sterile after painting.

It looks like the light fixtures (certainly the ceiling fans and fluorescent in the living room) could be rethought. Consider this...whatever you choose there, you might try carrying a similar fixture (or the very same one in some cases) into other areas of the home. This could simplify planning by being able to order many light fixtures all at once, then having them all installed at one time. That's what we did...

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As far as flooring, your brick looks nice. Don't know much about interior brick finishing, but in your photos it looks good. Is that carpeting in the bar area? Hard to tell from the photo. Whatever you decide to replace that with, you might consider carrying a similar (or the very same) finish thru to other places that need floor replacement. Example...We picked a very affordable roll out vinyl for our kitchen, then also used it in the half bath and utility room.

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As far as window treatments...Since our windows weren't true "walls of glass", we ended up installing wooden valances that ran the entire length of the room and then curtains that did the same. When closed, it's a nice clean look. When open, they're completely out of the way. You might ponder that as a possible solution, since some of your large windows seem to be surrounded by a bit of wall to the sides and above...

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Hope all those suggestions are helpful. I'll shut up now...ha! Too much time on my hands I guess.... :)

Best of luck with your project(s).

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Postby reverb2000 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:55 pm

the carpet is gone, there will be cork in the kitchen and carpet area. We were thinking of keeping everthing white only because we dont have a better idea. Graeber aluminum curtain rods are on order. Still trying to find someone to clean up the tree situation. Or I will just get out there and cut it all down and start over...There are flourescent lights everywhere, I like them, but wife has this idea they make you crazy...(the original owner cant carry on a conversation so maybe there is something to that???

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Postby jesgord » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:04 pm

reverb2000 wrote:the carpet is gone, there will be cork in the kitchen and carpet area. We were thinking of keeping everthing white only because we dont have a better idea. Graeber aluminum curtain rods are on order. Still trying to find someone to clean up the tree situation. Or I will just get out there and cut it all down and start over...There are flourescent lights everywhere, I like them, but wife has this idea they make you crazy...(the original owner cant carry on a conversation so maybe there is something to that???


I think your wife is correct.... fluorescent lights make you crazy!

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Postby ch » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:48 pm

Fluorescent lights have NO place in a home. End of discussion. Period.

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Postby rockland » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:18 pm

My suggestion is to focus on one room that has a door. Finish that room completely and decorate it. Then, when you are feeling overwhelmed there will be a small sanctuary to escape to that will remind you that in time it will all come together.


Good advice Craig.

I lived that way for 20 years in a Bklyn loft with AC,a nice bath and laundry.
easy to clean :oops: The rest was 3000sq ft of insanity.

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Postby Izzy » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:49 pm

fix any and all water problems first.
get rid of the florescents.
take above advice and finish an escape room (bedroom?).
looks like a cool house! business in the front, party in the back!
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Postby sleeper08 » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:16 pm

noticed that you have brick in your home. is it in good shape? if not are you keeping it? we have brick in the home were purchasing but its in an area where we dont know if it will stay or not(kitchen's in center of house and brick is in both hallways surrounding kitchen) i say this b/c we are in need of a kitchen resize. i expect it would be hard to brick the kitchen and get it to match the older brick. watcha think? anyway nice find and keep us updated with your progress.

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Postby reverb2000 » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:45 pm

sleeper08 wrote:noticed that you have brick in your home. is it in good shape? if not are you keeping it? we have brick in the home were purchasing but its in an area where we dont know if it will stay or not(kitchen's in center of house and brick is in both hallways surrounding kitchen) i say this b/c we are in need of a kitchen resize. i expect it would be hard to brick the kitchen and get it to match the older brick. watcha think? anyway nice find and keep us updated with your progress.


our brick is nice...buuuuttt if it wasnt we would just go over everything with tile. If you need to make repairs, just do it and dont worry about the look...Its the "ya there was a problem, and we fixed it" look. Kinda like battle scars. We have hardwoods, brick and soon cork. I know its a little busy, but we are trying to keep it all the same color..in this case tones of red. I will post more pics soon. Thanks for all the incouragement.

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Postby modernmonkey » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:05 pm

Your house looks like it has so much atomic potential. Getting past the WTF stage can be difficult. Have you picked up the book by the guy at Apartment Therapy? It's helped me to prioritize and pick one room at a time to focus on. Now have I totally followed this advice? No of course not. I am in the process of focusing on one and half rooms but my hubby Mr. Monkey is focusing on the front yard. Take a look at our disaster of a front yard right now. Talk about WTF! Solidarity to the home improver.
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Postby Chimay » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:53 am

Don't worry about the "WTF-were-we-thinking" stage- we've all been there. There was a time in our own house remodel when we discovered leaky plumbing underneath the slab and then had to tear it all out. We were standing in what theoretically would be the master bedroom but instead it was a 3-ft deep by 10 ft. across muddy hole, with a ginormous pile of dirt and old wiring tangled like a spider web everywhere (see photos in the link on my signature), and were basically ready to crawl into a fetal position and whimper. But we survived and you will, too!
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Postby rockland » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:37 pm

WTF never ends...after two years we've removed the exclaimation point.
Todays surprise. A nice puddle has formed in the utility room under the
pump that bleeds the central air to the outside. I put a bucket under it and we'll
deal with it some other time...no biggy.

Nice house! And well on your way. Nice thing about doing so much yourselves is
that you will be much more connected to all of its quirks.

Save everything. In demo mode it is easy to loose track of manuals and receipts.
Don't buy anything in a re-taped box. Often a key part missing. HD is famous for that.
Easy return but a pain.

We did the office and guest room first. Slept in the guest room and took our time with the
master. The first summer and barely in we had a slew of house guests. WTF! It was
chaos.

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Postby Tony » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:54 pm

I have to disagree with Craig about fluorescent lights. Older fluorescents, those that are 1-1/2" inch diameter, do give off poor light. But the newer ones that are 5/8" or 1" inch diameter are much better. Especially with bulbs that have a high Color Rendering Index - something over 90 is preferred. They also use energy saving electronic ballasts that also don't have the 60 Hz flicker that is so annoying.

It is also generally better to mount them in coves so they spread an indirect light. That way you don't directly look at the bulb.

I think the California Building codes also require fluorescent lights in kitchens for some reason.

With regards to cork floors, they are great! They have a nice soft and warm feeling on the feet. But it is somewhat fragile and probably not suitable where there are dog claws or high-heels. They need periodic re-finishing. The cork floors at the Kaufmann House in Palm Springs are fantastic - especially in the showers!

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Postby Chimay » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:06 pm

Forgot to mention this in my earlier post, but Tony's correct. California building codes require flourescent lights in both the kitchen and all bathrooms. Of course, there's nothing that prevents you from swapping those out for other types of lights once the building inspector signs off on a project... :wink:
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Postby Perks » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:27 pm

The fluorescent thing is California energy code. Required for all new homes and remodels. There is a formula that allows some wiggle room about having incandescent vs. fluorescent lighting in kitchens. For bathrooms and certain other areas (e.g., garages & utility areas), installation of a motion sensor can be used in lieu of fluorescent lights, although you still have to have at least one fluorescent light that is NOT connected to the motion sensor. Or something like that.

Bottom line: Do what Chimay suggested. :wink:
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Postby greenmod » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:39 pm

Maybe you all just mean tube fluorescent, but the US is phasing out incandescent bulbs so unless you plan to do a stock piling we will all have to switch to fluorescent in the near future (or LED). We have all fluorescent bulbs (not tube) and they give nice white light. Just depends on the brand you buy.

Article on the phasing out of the bulb:
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Postby egads » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:50 pm

I think the fluorescent comment is really about the utility room surface mounted lights in inappropriate places, like the family room. I like and use fluorescent, but my rule is, always hidden. Under the kitchen cabinets. Or outside in side mount down lights. I have mentioned before here, that Ikea carries A lamp style bulbs in very low wattage's. Like as little as 4 watts. That is plenty for a spill of light outside. To get tube lamps in the higher color temps will require a trip to a lamp specialist. Home depot carries a few, but they want a premium for them. Fluorescent lighting "fills" beautifully without the spottiness of a row of incandescent light have. In a swimming pool they are killer. No beam at all and very cheap to leave on. A typical pool flood is something like 500 watts. That's pricey to leave on every night.

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Postby rockland » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:37 pm

I have a stockpile of incandescent but not intentionally. I bought a case for work. Good quality
color correction. I've not had a problem with florescent at all. I just put in three half moon milk plexi units
holding three 4ft tubes each in my studio. The quality of light is amazing. Similar to clean daylight. (like a bright
overcast day.) life changing in fact. I can see!
The OP, reverb, has a bulbous florescent in his living room between two ceiling fans. Not pretty.
But may be handy for some restoration projects.

Florescent is getting a bum rap recently. It has a grand purpose but some of the quality is questionable.
Right now i'm using T-8s. I have some other ones to try but these seem to work fine. I've been given many
to test over the last year. Color theory pays my mortgage so light is important. I walk in and out my studio
door dozens of times a day to check color.

BUt, my stockpile will come in handy some day. Some of my vintage fixtures need the soon-to-be old fashioned
incandescent. (and i'll certainly share--i have a two life time supply)

another note. Building codes are absurd. Whoever makes that stuff up is nuts. I've recently had a few battles
with handrails. And i agree. Change it when they leave.
But give florescent a try...




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Postby rockland » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:17 pm

I missed your post egads. I was prepping dinner.
I have three task light situation in my kitchen...
Over the sink is an OPO florescent we leave on 24/7. Two years now.
It is a nice clean small flood for a centrally located spot.
Easy to navigate at night for a glass of water or bathroom moment. A nice glow.
With a post and beam open living area it is quite nice.
Like a big night night.
The new range hood bulbs are shadowy and have been replaced twice.
Rarely used.(crazy expensive and hard to find)
The other task light (new last year) with some crazy hallogen bulb at 6 dollars a pop has burned out
three time. (yes i change the bulb with cotton cloth and am careful). I just can't complain about the
old fashioned florescent that has never failed for two years.

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Postby egads » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:12 pm

Many times when replacing a halogen lamp it is a good idea to actually clean a brand new one with rubbing alcohol. It seems they get touched in manufacture or packaging.

Also, when replacing fluorescent fixtures, go for the new electronic ballasts. No hum or flicker. Worth the extra expense even for a garage light.

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Postby Tony » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:28 pm

Yes, Egads is correct! Halogen bulbs can explode if the surface is contaminated with even a slight amount of body oil. Clean them with a solvent and install them using a paper towel or something like that.

And we are moving, for better or worse, from incandescent to fluorescent lamps. Of course, Fluorescent has a waste problem as there is a minute amount of mercury in each fluorescent lamp. While tiny, this is necessary for the operation of such a lamp. What this might do in concentration in a land fill might be problematic.

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Postby cougarider » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:26 pm

I'm in Houston and bought a house in a Mid Century neighborhood. Welcome to the forum and....have fun with the landscaping. lol That's what I've been messing with for the past 6 months. All my spare time is taken up working on the house. I have no life anymore. Such is the life of a homeowner. I'm sure one day I'll look back and say it was worth it. As for now, I'm sore, tired, frustrated and broke. lol


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