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Pavers: rocks between or grass

Postby Stephen » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:37 pm

I'm adding a concrete paver walkway to my house this weekend.

Think:

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But a couple of differences:

- I will be using 24" x 24" pavers as opposed to Dan's 36" ones
- My walkway is in the middle of my lawn (not connecting to a driveway)
- My walkway will extend from curb to house -- approximately 20ft

I've been thinking of laying them directly into the grass (with a gravel and sand base) as opposed to building a rock-surround bed as Dan did, above. I was never really crazy about grass at all until I got the red doors. Now, all of the sudden, I really like the sea of green my house floats in. I've also been looking at a lot of Neutra house landscapes and I love how stepping stones, swimming pools, and rock croppings seem to "pop up" out of the grass.

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Postby STLModern » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:40 pm

Stephen,

I suggest using paver base (minus rock) which they sell at Lowes and Home Depot for under the pavers. It compacts really well. For what you're doing I would just dig out the area wher the paver will lie. Dig the hole deep enough for about 1-2 inches of paver base and for the paver. I would make the pavers level with the earth so that you can mow right over them.

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Postby Stephen » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:50 pm

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Postby SDR » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:48 pm

I can appreciate the desire for a dead-level array of paver squares -- but the result is going to be a bit more complex than if the pavers sit flush with the grass, isn't it.

Does the lawn slope up (or down) from the street to the house, or is the slope right to left -- or both ?

Either way, it sounds like you would need some way to transition from the grass to the array of pavers, doesn't it ? That would likely be a curb along the perimeter, sloping with the grass, surrounding a level "pool" of crushed rock or other gravel, in which the pavers would sit. I would think that this pool of gravel should have some "breathing room" around the pavers, so the jump to sloping curbed grass wouldn't be so abrupt. If the slope is left to right (or vice versa), this presents an asymmetrical situation seen from the street or the house -- so you might want to reflect that asymmetry with, say, a broader border of gravel on one side than the other.

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Postby egads » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:05 pm

Who does the lawn?

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Postby SDR » Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:12 pm

Good question. The reason to hold the edging (12" concrete pavers on edge ?) flush with the grass is to make mowing easier. And the depressed level area with the pavers in it shouldn't be grass, for the same reason. Making the edging and the pavers of the same material minimizes the separate materials at three (concrete, gravel, grass), for a cleaner look. Another strategy would be a brick field, and brick edging, with concrete pavers.


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Postby Joe » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:24 pm

rock. I am guessing this is for your entry? you have no shade there so keeping grass alive will be a challenge. I like the exposed aggregate better :D

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Postby BAZ_MCM » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:47 pm

Stephen,

Was just clicking through STLModern's Flickr set (nice pics STL) and came across some images that do a nice job of running pavers across a long distance while still playing into the over all environment.

See here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stlmodern/3034275253/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stlmodern/3032343327/ (this one could easily look nice in grass too)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stlmodern/3034454559/

Good luck. Can't wait to see the results.

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P.S. Wanting to see some close-up details of your front door project. Might try to do something similar.
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Postby Stephen » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:58 pm

I took some pictures of the area in question:

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and from the dining room looking out (I think I might be the only person equally concerned with how a walkway looks from inside the house as from the curb)

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The slope is gentle, towards the house, and only on one axis. I was out there this afternoon hanging a string line as a guide and came to the conclusion that it would look a lot better with the pavers parallel to the ground plane instead of level. The slope is slight enough that they will certainly still function correctly as steps. Oh, I have someone who cuts the grass and edges.
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Postby SDR » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:00 pm

No doubt. Human locomotion was cleverly arranged -- would that be by Intelligent Design ? -- to operate at a variety of slopes and pitches ! I think it'll be easier and neater all around this way. . .


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Postby Joe » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:54 pm

stephen, I think you need a comprehensive landscape plan. I think you would be happier with the results.

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Postby Stephen » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:00 am

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Postby BAZ_MCM » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:10 pm

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Postby Stephen » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:49 pm

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Postby Stephen » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:09 pm

Just some mid-project teaser-pics:

(getting the pavers laid out)

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(view from front door, final positions)

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(final position, waiting for me to dig the holes and tamp the base)


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Postby BAZ_MCM » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:23 pm

Looking good. Break ground tomorrow?

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Postby Stephen » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:19 am

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Postby Stephen » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:22 am

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Postby BAZ_MCM » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:54 pm

I think this is looking good, Stephen. Keep it coming. Excited to see completion.

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Postby STLModern » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:39 pm

Digging sucks, don't it! Come out here and dig in this Missouri clay/rock.

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Postby SDR » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:24 pm

Note that Stephen's new walk (almost ?) perfectly aligns with another May rancho across the street. Nice. Architects like this kind of thing. . .

Now, will the users of the new walk march up one row of stones, ignoring the other -- or will some of them skip gaily right and left, to make use of "the
whole road" ? Perhaps a hidden camera can record various use patterns -- and the owner can correlate these with known personality traits: neatness,
frivolity, homicidal tendencies, etc etc. . .

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Postby Stephen » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:04 pm

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Update

Postby Stephen » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:21 pm

Here's an update....getting closer:

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Postby BAZ_MCM » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:05 pm

Stephen,

This is looking fantastic. Well done.

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Postby Stephen » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:35 pm

Done.

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