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Spec Builders continue to amaze!

Postby JGropp » Thu May 14, 2009 3:49 pm

Spec Builders continue to amaze-
some of the latest local product
in the Seattle Pacific NorthWest.

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LL- I've long admired the building industry for what it could
produce- and abhorred it for what it does produce. Perhaps
the Recession will rationalize things a bit. We can only hope.

My residential architecture practice is directly related to the
HomeBuilding industry whose products compete with my own.

My providing highly personalized quality custom design is the
only way I can compete. On the other hand, these big builders
will have to greatly improve their so often dismal designs in
order to compete with me, other specialized home architects.

As you'll see below, this Topic
has elicited many Comments.
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Postby GoogieHowser » Thu May 14, 2009 5:58 pm

"Everything should be made as simple as possible. But not simpler." -Einstein

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Postby Perks » Fri May 15, 2009 6:04 am

I'd still prefer this home over most of 95% of what's being built in So Cal. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
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Postby Luka » Fri May 15, 2009 7:05 am

I agree with you Perks, nothing worse than these Tuscan manors around here

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Postby Joe » Fri May 15, 2009 9:28 am

so, when did the "add-on" look become popular?

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Wait- there's more!

Postby JGropp » Fri May 15, 2009 10:09 am

Where there's growth- like Bend, Oregon,
the same old thing has been happening.
To make them look big and impressive-
from the street side- pile the stuff high.

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This is from the"Architectural Wonders"
Page that was posted on LottaLiving.com
and elsewhere. This lays it all out. Jerry
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Postby Joe » Fri May 15, 2009 11:35 am

the mcmansion invaders are creeping around my neighborhood, looking to tear down a single story ranch and build two fugly mcmansions. I am proposing height restrictions in order to keep them out!

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Postby eggMCMuffin » Fri May 15, 2009 11:37 am

Take note, Jerry-- if you want to compete with the big boys in the industry, you'll need to design homes with at least four different roof lines, each with it's own set of randomly selected angles (symmetry optional)! :-)

Great observation regarding the "pile it high to make it look big and impressive" tactic ("tactic"-- this doesn't rate being labeled as a full on strategy)... Until now, I couldn't put my finger on what this was trying to achieve, other than to personally annoying me, but you're absolutely correct.

I talked with a string of different architects and builders in Portland a few years ago when considering options for (1) undoing some minor design problems with the original layout of my MCM, (2) undoing several 80's-ifications, and (3) tastefully adding a bedroom in a manor that enhanced rather than detracted from the home's existing lines. This was during an era when most were still finding lots of easy work slapping together new homes and remodels that looked like the two pictures shown in this post. As a result, you should have heard some of the suggestions I got for item (3)...
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Rampant misinformation-

Postby JGropp » Fri May 15, 2009 11:51 am

Eugene and Stuttgart- nice to
hear from you both. I've been
competing with the "big boys"
all my life. Trouble is- there's
an awful lot of misinformation
out there- nicht wahr? Jerry

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Looks like-

Postby JGropp » Fri May 15, 2009 11:56 am

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Looks like something we did-
before the kids.
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Postby rockland » Fri May 15, 2009 12:24 pm

Hear, hear, here!

Just waiting for the xeriscaping to gobble this one.
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(that is vinyl siding, not stucco. Even wrapped around the chimney all the
way to the top)

I had not thought to get a side view. Maybe it is only 10 or 12ft deep?

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Postby Joe » Fri May 15, 2009 12:48 pm

one good thing about the economy going into the dumps, it's caused some people to rethink size and scale... well, some people. :?

many spec builders have gone into the tank, leaving their crap half built. can't get financing. turning into blight.

If I were an architect, I would starve. My scope of design and willingness to compromise is way too narrow 8-)

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Xeriscape- I had to look that up-

Postby JGropp » Fri May 15, 2009 1:39 pm

Wikipedia says-
Plants whose natural requirements are appropriate to the local climate are emphasized, and care is taken to avoid losing water to evaporation and run-off. While many Denver Water employees helped coin the term xeriscape, Xeriscape and the xeriscape logo are not registered trademarks of Denver Water, the water department of Denver, Colorado.[1] They were created by the Front Range Xeriscape Task Force of Denver Department in 1978.[1] The specific plants used in xeriscaping depend upon the climate. Some common plants used in Western xeriscaping are agave, cactus, lavender, juniper, sedum and thyme.

In some areas, terms such as water-conserving landscapes, drought-tolerant landscaping, zeroscaping, and smart scaping are used instead.
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Postby rockland » Sat May 16, 2009 4:49 am

The word xeriscaping is a portmanteau of xeros (Greek for "dry") and landscape.

The house i posted has been vacant since it went up two years ago.
I was just joking but with 3-5 inches of rain per week this spring i may not be far off.

I hear ya Joe. I'd be waiting tables just to get the free employee meal...

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Postby robbhouston » Sat May 16, 2009 5:25 am

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A little website I created to showcase my home and other MCMs in and around the Nashville TN area.

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I just had to add this to the discussion

Postby modfan » Sat May 16, 2009 10:25 am

Victoria Gotti's house is STILL for sale.....hmmm wonder why she can't sell it even at a reduced price. Maybe it's those 'MARBLE COLUMNS' again.
(cue the SNL sketch)---have a laugh here-

And it isn't even in a very good location right next to the freeway/expressway.

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Postby SDR » Sat May 16, 2009 11:33 am

There's nothing new under the sun. . .in the Wild West !

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Postby rockland » Sat May 16, 2009 2:11 pm

I was thinking the same thing SDR but couldn't find a photo.
Hometown :D
Taken last thanksgiving. One of many false fronts.
And very common in small towns that want to look big...
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Postby SDR » Sat May 16, 2009 3:13 pm

The one I found couldn't be real -- more like a toontown backlot leftover -- but you get the idea. . .



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Re: I just had to add this to the discussion

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supposedly modern-

Postby JGropp » Sun May 17, 2009 3:38 pm

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I have a really, really hard time appreciating this one and/or-

this supposedly "modern" home-
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with "see-through" garage doors-

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Postby SDR » Sun May 17, 2009 4:34 pm

The garage door doesn't bother me -- just everything else !

I like translucency, I guess.



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translucency-

Postby JGropp » Sun May 17, 2009 4:39 pm

Nothing wrong with translucency-
(in the right place). Nicht wahr? J-

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they

Postby modfan » Sun May 17, 2009 9:17 pm

coulda AT LEAST undergrounded the utilities. I don't really care for the mast and mess of wires overhead.

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Postby SDR » Sun May 17, 2009 9:25 pm

Yeah -- isn't that the icing on this (sorry) cake ?




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Yet another example-

Postby JGropp » Tue May 19, 2009 9:24 am

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Yet another example- just a
few blocks away from my MI
home. Lots of deep dark porches
up here in the rainy NorthWest.
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Mercer Island Gentrifications-

Postby JGropp » Wed May 20, 2009 3:33 pm

Older MI neighborhoods are
being gentrified apace. Here
are some photos of examples.

Imagepriced at nearly $2,000,000
(Below)- Links to Realtor Presentations-
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the rather plain back, sides-

The designers tried hard by
putting on a lot of the usual
design touches- except for
shutters- for EastCoast transplants-
(most of whom know the real thing).
Jerry-
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