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LottaLiving.com • Lotta Livin Trial & Jury - A Cliff May Re-muddle (Dallas
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Lotta Livin Trial & Jury - A Cliff May Re-muddle (Dallas

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:38 am
by rogerT
Just finishing up some misc stuff on the punch list for a Cliff May re-muddle and beginning the clean up and landscaping. Hardwood floor guys will be back in the next few days to apply the remaining coats of poly and moldings before I put it on the market. I decided I was far enough along to post some dusty pictures and face the Lotta Livin firing squad for feedback...and btw, if you feel inclined to recommend lipstick for my pig, be specific on brand and shade.




Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:56 am
by Joe

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:46 am
by djstwo
Kitchen looks great, can you break down some of the materials used? ie countertops, and backsplash.

I like the tile in the bathrooms too, I guess it makes sense to do it all the same when it's going to be sold right away.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:36 pm
by rogerT
Thanks for the feedback Joe. As you can probably tell, I took a couple of cues from your house…particularly the black beam and SS. The skins on the cabinets are actually SS panels. The backsplash is a very close match of aluminum laminate.

Spent quite a bit of time on the island size trying to maximize the size of the island with the constraints of space required between the island & base cabinets in the kitchen area and then the space constraint between the island and beam support post. I didn’t want to obstruct the area between the island countertop and the post and wanted to at least maintain the same freespace width as you align yourself with the hallway. It feels and looks good when your there. Not too big and not too narrow….too narrow which is what I was more concerned with. Photo #26 probably gives you a better perspective of the width…or were you referring to the island length?

I am sure the partition wall is one of the features you would have kept. If it had been mistlite…no question, I would have kept it. The drywall partition is an easy thing to replace if one still wanted it. I debated with myself and determined that I should take it and the kitchen half-wall out since I would be extending the hardwoods into the kitchen. I wanted to avoid having to come back and patch hardwoods if I left the walls up, didn’t like it, and wanted to take them out afterwards. Drywall much easier than hardwoods.

As far as the brick, it was already painted. The original brick color was most likely the color of the fireplace brick which wasn't painted ...and not a bad brown at all.

Regarding the roof, I did consider a white shingle but decided against it in the end, due more to personal preference. That shingle is the same color that is used on probably 90% of the homes in the DFW metroplex. I live in McKinney,TX. While I don’t live in Stonebridge Ranch, which is the 2nd largest planned development in Texas, I remodeled a house there last year. The Stonebridge HOA requires the same shingle color as I used unless you take it through the HOA review board. So I guess my point is that the dark shingle color is the norm here in the DFW area and Texas. I think all but maybe one of the Cliff May homes in Dallas have shingles versus a rolled roof ....not saying they should but they do.

Garage Door; I actually did speak with a couple of garage door folks and it became a more of a headache to get the pivot-tilt or up&over (I think that is what they called them) and re-build the door. We were running behind schedule and quite frankly had to prioritize my crew's guys time. But I agree with you and that was my original intent. priorities & compromises.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:03 pm
by rogerT
djstwo, thanks for the feedback.

Countertops: just your basic black formica

Backsplash: also laminate to match the SS cabinet skins (supplier is Chemetal)

Cabinet & Island are skinned with Ikea SS cover panels, then water-jetted at metal shop to fit.

Kitchen Globe Lights: an Ikea hack-- removed the stem and replaced Ikea canopy with a flat canopy ($7)

Utility & Bathroom Terrazzo Floor Tile: is from Fritztile (dallas,tx), great folks

Bathroom Faucet & Shower: American Standard (One Series)

Glass Mosaic Tile: Hakatai Enterprises, the tile I used is from the Classic Standard Blend Series (China Blend). Get their swatch kits, it is well worth it. some of the tile I liked on-line didn't look the same as the actual swatches.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:52 pm
by Van
Looks great! Especially the bathroom!

Too bad the brick was already painted...I hate it when people do that. The fireplace here is painted :cry:

Good luck with selling the house--I hope someone who appreciates the style moves in! I heard that the house next door to that sold and the people are going to change the home depot parts of the house.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:56 pm
by rockland

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:52 pm
by egads
Well, I am keeping my wall. But it is still in the original birch. And I need the wall for art. And my kitchen is rarely ready for display. However, what you have done is what most do here in the Long Beach Ranchos. Also here, none of the models that have a hall have mistlite panels. Those panels are next to the main beam post, with another towards the main bath. So your house may never have had mistlite panels. I am curious how the kitchen sink vents in the version of these house with the sink under a window.

My only complaint is the front door painted the feature color. It should be the same as all the rest of the windows.

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:32 am
by Joe

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:32 am
by Stephen

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:41 am
by Joe

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:51 pm
by jesgord

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:09 pm
by egads
My completely original 1954 cliff May kitchen has a curved end cabinet. Rounded corners are functional, in that they don't hurt when you bump into them.

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:50 am
by johnnyapollo
I agree with egads on that - I've got bruises on my hips and thighs to prove it!

-- John

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:11 am
by jesgord
Although I prefer the look of sharp corners, you both make excellent points. If original corners were rounded, then I deffer to your better judgment.

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:51 am
by travelteam
Great job. I wish all the flippers that come through my neighborhood would treat the homes as you have.

Hopefully the original garage door (even though cut in half) is sitting in the garage in case the new owner wants to restore.

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:32 am
by rogerT
I appreciate the compliments and the constructive feedback....we aren't all evil.

The Cliff May homes with mistlites and birch paneling with the vintage patina are definitely my favorites. I am not aware of any in the Dallas collection that have mistlites except for windows in the bathroom. If I were to live in this house, replicating the mistlites would be high on my list of things to do. I think most if not all of the ones in Dallas have hardwood floors though… with a very odd subfloor. Although I really like the birch walls….I guess one would have to be really careful when there are hardwood floors to avoid things feeling like a “cabin” with all the wood. Might possibly work if the HWs were really dark or really light if you were going for the vintage patina on the birch.

Painting brick in North Texas is not un-common but there is typically a reason it is done other than it being simply a butt-ugly color. The highest percentage of the time it is to disguise the obvious signs of foundation issues -- mortar/brick cracks, cover up mortar repair that doesn't match, replacement brick that doesn't match original brick. The soil in the DFW area is predominately black clay. Texas weather is famous for being extreme - drought & flood - which causes the black clay to expand and shrink continuously and wreaking havoc on the foundation. We irrigate the perimeter of the foundation around here (many times with soaker hoses, or sprinklers) in the summer to try and maintain moisture content under the slab.

The island and ponywall are actually easy mods for a new owner to make the house their own... Heck, given the modular cabinets in the island and price-point of formica compared to granite, one could yank a cabinet to change the size of the island, and change colors/corners of the counter-top for every season.

Stephen, we had the bathroom walls opened up for electrical & plumbing so we made sure we had some solid wood in the wall to bolt the box onto. The box was made on-site, sanded, and painted. We built the box for (2) 15x15 Ikea cabinet doors. Which is actually the same as the 15x30 horizontal cabinets in the kitchen but with the additional depth required to accommodate the counter-top sink. Same thing for the built-in cabinet next to the tub. Used 2 (15x39) doors.

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:39 am
by egads
It looks like the original garage door was hinged on the sides. I have seen that on some old doors here in Long Beach. The plain flat one is also a popular choice for replacement here. Sectional doors allow one to park right in front of them. That is an advantage some places. (like here) The ideal is a door that fakes board and batten. That is possible, I've seen it. But expensive I bet. At least this one is painted. It's hard to talk some folks into painting their brand new lifetime finish door. I have been successful twice.

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:40 pm
by cougarider
Great Reno! If I were in Dallas I'd buy it. As far as lipstick goes, I like L'Oreal Infallible Never Fail Lipstick - Lily. But that would look rather silly on your house. lol

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:46 pm
by rogerT

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:37 pm
by rogerT
I am considering putting up a fence as the last phase of this project. Anybody want to offer up their preference for style of fence? continue with board & batten style, or maybe horizontal slat, etc? I am open to suggestions.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:15 pm
by Joe
continuing the board and batten style like the siding fits into mid century style and what cliff may did. stain the same color as the house looks good too!

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:17 pm
by Van
Where are you putting the fence? front/back/both?

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:28 pm
by rogerT
Front, back, sides. I feel like I have taken this house 90% of the way and have been somewhat torn about the additional fence expenditure. I am very pleased with the interior, however with all of the glass....the view from the inside looking out in addition to privacy could be improved considerably. Given I have already paid for having the trees taken out that have grown into the nice chain link fence between the properties...I will most likely move forward with it.

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:55 pm
by Van
We're pretty sure that we're going to put a fence in the front yard too...looking forward to the responses you get. I've gone through and read some old posts about fences to get ideas.