Were these ForeRunners of MCM?

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Were these ForeRunners of MCM?

Postby JGropp » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:28 pm

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Were these ForeRunners of MCM?.......

I'm rather inclined to believe this.
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mid century modern or mcmansions?

Postby FRaC » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:39 pm

MCMansions?

sure, what the hell

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Postby Slim and Gabby » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:40 pm

Jerry, whenever I see architecture like that, I think about how much they look like toys from that period, especially Marx and Plasticville; there's a certain aesthetic that Gabby and I love:

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I guess that's was the point,
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Postby FRaC » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:27 pm

levittown is often cited as a paradigm for suburban sprawl in the u.s. - like those 'builders dingbats' homes Mr. Gropp recently posted.

and since the above homes were from 1957 (after the mid century modern homes we love began) and feature a b.a.r. (that's big-ass roof if ya don't already know) i take them to be '... forerunners of MCM'(ansions).

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nicht wahr?

Postby JGropp » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:31 pm

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"Enough Space" nicht wahr? J-

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Postby Perks » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:36 pm

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Postby eggMCMuffin » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:48 am

Jerry, you're far more of an expert on this subject than I'll ever be, and I see what you're getting at based on how the Levittown homes are described on the website, but I think it depends on how you define "forerunner".

I think they're a forerunner of the particular type of early/mid sixties MCM homes that we all seem to most strongly associate with the period (and are especially loved on this site). However, I would say construction in the early 50's is a little too late to be considered a true MCM home forerunner overall. I see most key MCM ideas as they apply to the home, albeit in a different physical form, starting with the International Style/"Bauhaus" movement in Europe, the Wright era work in the U.S., plus the rise of some Scandinavian themes over all. As early as the 1920's, the International Style as applied to homes rather than big buildings (the Wiesenhof Exposition in Germany is the one I'm best acquainted with, but there are of course many) were featuring concepts like multi use rooms, open floor plans, low horizontal shapes, merging indoor/outdoor spaces, and the increasing use of the building's functional structure as its own ornamentation.

I always felt like these ideas combined with the engineering benefits of wood post and beam construction methods brought on the sort of homes most strongly associated with "MCM". The high exposed beam ceilings which are particularly loved on this site, seem to me to be an adoption of (1) the idea that the building's structure can offer its own ornamentation, and (2) the emphasis of "volume over mass". The Post and beam concept also allows for wood structures that include large and simply framed windows that let the outdoor spaces function as an indoor adornment. The best of the MCM Home architecture looks little like the International Style homes that preceded them, but I really do feel the presence of key MCM ideas in their infancy when I actually stand inside one of them and experience the space.
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What a great response-

Postby JGropp » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:17 am

EMcM- What a great response-
especially this paragraph: JG-


"always felt like these ideas combined with the engineering benefits of wood post and beam construction methods brought on the sort of homes most strongly associated with "MCM". The high exposed beam ceilings which are particularly loved on this site, seem to me to be an adoption of (1) the idea that the building's structure can offer its own ornamentation, and (2) the emphasis of "volume over mass". The Post and beam concept also allows for wood structures that include large and simply framed windows that let the outdoor spaces function as an indoor adornment. The best of the MCM Home architecture looks little like the International Style homes that preceded them, but I really do feel the presence of key MCM ideas in their infancy when I actually stand inside one of them and experience the space".

eggMCMuffin should tell us more
about who he is and how he got to
where he can make these many
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What I said-

Postby JGropp » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:15 pm

scowsa- I said a forerunner-
not the only forerunner.

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Postby Perks » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:36 pm

The values of efficiency in construction, leading to reduced costs (and increased affordability to your average buyer), were certainly a hallmark of Levitt's projects...and a hallmark of many mid-century modern designers such as Cliff May whose works were mass-produced.

Were they a forerunner? I don't think so. Rather, I think Levitt et al. and May et al. worked on simultaneous parallel tracks, with the same end goal in mind but with obvious stylistic differences.

If we're to go looking for a common ancestor of each of these, I'd have to reach back to the Usonian movement. But in my mind, Levittown and mid-century modernism are at best distant cousins of each other; certainly one didn't beget the other.
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post-war upcoming architects-

Postby JGropp » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:43 pm

Andy- The ones you mention
all influenced the post-war
upcoming architects of whom
I was one. UW Architecture '49.
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Here's a direct result of this-
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Postby Joe » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:05 pm

no, those were Levitt's reaction to Modern homes which were eating into his sales

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Tell us more about who you are.
I see you're an architect too. Jerry

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Postby eggMCMuffin » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:32 pm

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Postby eggMCMuffin » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:41 pm

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