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What style home is this exactly?

Postby vestaviascott » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:52 pm

My wife and I have spotted an estate sale property that we are considering purchasing and renovating for our family home. The outside is not in bad shape at all, but the inside is a mess. The bones are there, but they've painted some of the beams gloss white with oil based paint. They've also sheetrocked between the beams in the great room.

We are looking to preserve the tongue and groove natural stained wood and strip off the paint on the beams. We'd like to do a modern update that honors the lines and style of the home.

How difficult a job is it to remove glossy oil paint on these beams? Our other option is to paint all the beams white or dark brown for consistency, but we've resolved that we want the tongue and groove ceiling planks to remain natural.

Does this particular design have a specific name (other than MCM of course)?

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Postby vestaviascott » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:56 pm

They also appear to have installed 1/4 wood paneling over the sheetrocked walls. Is this common in houses of this period?

At first, I was expecting that we'd have to sheetrock the walls after pulling down the paneling. However, a closer inspection today appears to reveal that there is already sheetrock under the paneling. Kind of akin to finding hardwoods under carpet I suppose.

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Postby johnnyapollo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:59 am

If you can live with the brick color, don't paint it. Painted brick creates a maintenance nightmare for something that has very little maintenance - right now it's a bit "faddish" to paint the brick white or light colored, but as with many things, fads change and you may regret the choice later.

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Postby vestaviascott » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:27 pm

The first two pics below show the painted beams with crown molding and sheetrock over the T&G
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This photo shows the stained flagstone in the foyer area just inside the front door entrance
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These next two pics show the back of the house. We'd like to move the wall out some to gain some needed space in the great room.
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A Photoshop of what the entrance may look like with a new door and stripping off the paint to reveal the natural wood T&G on the porch ceiling. The roof trim and window trim have also been recolored a dark brown to provide more contrast with the bricks.
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The kitchen has seen better days. We will be doing a full reno in here and removing the wall you see on the right side to open up the kitchen to the great room where the fireplace is.
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Postby egads » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:54 pm

Oh why o why did they not just add insulation and just drywall the whole ceiling over the beams and all. That would make reversal much easier. It also would have achieved their goal much better. This really a re-muddle. It will take a lot of work to restore.

Do keep in mind that the wall between the great room & kitchen may be load bearing and will take some engineering to remove. It might be easier to just create large openings.

Watch out with the Dwell details instead of being retro. Some of the details on the front are too slick. Just changing the trim color and a new door may be all you need.

I love the kitchen birch. I redid (well still in the middle of) my kitchen and ambered the new birch to match the existing paneling and trim in my house.

So many MCM homes do not really have names but influences. Yours is influenced by Cliff May:

http://www.ranchostyle.com/

(the local realtors website for my house) May was very influential in the development of modern living. He had a long relationship with both Sunset & House Beautiful magazines

There where many others doing such work, especially in California. Joe Eichler built modern tract houses using architects such as Jones & Edmonds who's influence I certainly see in your house:

http://www.eichlernetwork.com/history

The wave of modernism moved out from California and was adapted to other climates. I bet it would be possible to find out who the architect of your house was, perhaps by doing research at your local building dept.

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Postby SDR » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:47 pm

Your Photoshop work shows an improved house in almost every way. However, I must add my voice to those who counsel against painting masonry materials like brick and stone. The natural variation in tone from one brick to the next -- and the textures of these materials -- will be lost, while any deviation in plane or other flaws will be emphasized. Masonry is a blessing when present; live with the color and plan other tones to harmonize or contrast. That's what an architect -- like the designer of this house -- would do.

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Removing paneling to reveal sheetrock

Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:42 am

We would also like to remove the paneling to reveal the sheetrock walls. I believe that most of the work there is repairing where the adhesive was.

If anyone reading this has done that project and documented it or can speak to the lessons learned, I'd love to hear from you.

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Would like to remove this wall and open fireplace

Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:05 am

We love the original fireplace. The wall its attached to runs perpendicular to the roof's ridge line. We'd like to remove the wall behind and beside the fireplace open the room front to back for our main living area.

We'd also like to open the firebox through to both sides of the room and convert it to a ventless gas unit (removing the screen and trim around the firebox). We'll most likely have to reface the backside of the fireplace to match the front.

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This is the wall behind the fireplace:

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Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:12 am

This appears to be the original flooring material for the kitchen area. Can someone identify it? Is it likely to contain any ACM that we'll need to deal with?

We'd like to replace or cover this with tile or hardwood flooring

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Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:15 am

This home is about 1.5 miles away. The homeowner states that it was built by the same architect and builder as the subject home. It appears to be a near identical plan but with the addition of a 2 car garage basement (down the hill on the left side).

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Will be looking to get some additional info from this homeowner on the home in order to help us determine renovation cost and hidden surprises we are likely to find.
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Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:57 am

Some additional pics:

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Postby SDR » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:00 am

It is a surprise to see brick and (veneer) stone used together in the same structure; architects usually employ a single masonry material throughout, as a prime example of consistency and unity -- a staple of modern design.

I would have thought that your fireplace had its stone added by a subsequent owner -- but the other stone on the house, and the second residence with the same material, makes me think that the stone is original. That opens (for me) the possibility that the exterior brick was an addition. Is there any evidence of that -- reworked window trims, odd terminations of material at corners, etc ?

The brickwork was nicely done, in any event; the brick sills look great. And the stone veneer is handsome, too, with a nice variety of color.

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Postby vestaviascott » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:17 pm

Interesting observation on the brick/stone mix. There is no apparent evidence of later addition of either.

The previous owners had the home built after making an unsuccessful offer on the sister home above. Its my understanding that the only renovations they've done (since it was built in 1958) were the ceiling work in the den and bedroom.

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Postby SDR » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:31 pm

Very good. It's the hope of every connoisseur to find an object in as near to original condition as possible. Congratulations ! I look forward to seeing what you are able to do with this interesting home . . .

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Postby vestaviascott » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:29 am

Here's the photoshop retouch, leaving the stone as is:

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