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MCM lighting sources: ball lights and sconces

Postby Futura Girl » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:39 pm

i went on Eichler Network, but could not find THE quintessential source for Eichler globe fixtures... there seem to be lots of questions about where to get them, but no answers? any leads here?

i have seen the FADO ights at IKEA which are darn close... and inexpensive, too. but they hang a little too low because of the ceiling attachment.
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http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... 5932*16079

I have seen some nice, but expensive lights here:
http://www.lumenslightandliving.com/lumens
but nothign close to globes.

i am NOT looking for flush mount fixtures like this
http://www.lightinguniverse.com./search ... m=P5616-16
but specifically for the short pendant 10" globes.
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Postby Futura Girl » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:43 pm

whoa!!! i think i found 'em

http://www.primelite-mfg.com/catalog/Sec_B_Page_7.jpg

has anyone ever ordered from these guys?
what are the prices like?
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Postby Futura Girl » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:45 pm

OMG check these (top half of the jpg obviously)

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Postby Joe » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:53 pm

FG, you best bet will be the lights from Progress Lighting (manufacturer)
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http://www.progresslighting.com/search. ... =3000&sku=

they come in a wide range of sizes. the pricing on their site seem a little off. These are usually instock at most lighting stores for about 1/3 of the listed price. special order from home depot/lowes if need be. good lights.

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Postby Futura Girl » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:03 am

thanks joe.
very cool... but they don't show how the ceiling connection looks? any clue?

they look very sinilar to Progress lighting's fixtures...
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i have been thumbing through the other guys site and they have new old school bullet lights, too...
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Postby Joe » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:12 am

the ceiling connection is just like the connection to the globe, similar to globes in eichlers. pretty flat and you can short wire to what ever you need.

there are reproductions of those bullets here: http://www.hiphaven.com/Pages/L_Retro_B ... ights.html

kinda spendy, though

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Postby robbhouston » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:28 am

Another great source for bullet and cone shaped lights is Swivelier...

http://www.swivelier.com/id22.htm

Their fixtures are right on style wise and very affordable ($100 or less). They also have outdoor versions of most fixtures, which is nice. You can order custom finishes as well (I requested brushed aluminum with white base). Below is a shot a Swivelier fixture sitting next to one of my originals, which I replaced it with...

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I also used one of their duel spot fixtures as wall sconces...

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I did this in 3 exterior locations on my home for around $100 a light. A far cry cheaper than the Daniel Donnelly Dual Cone Sconce, of which the larger verion goes for $425 (and is an interior fixture)...

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http://www.danieldonnelly.com/n_lighting.htm

Swivelier also happens to be run by nice people. I ordered by phone...and after a couple of calls with questions, the lady remembered me and was very personalble. After my order arrived, I emailed them suggesting they market their fixtures to the MCM enthusiast crowd (which they don't seem to do), sending links to related websites, etc. I got a response from the 'president' of the company thanking me. Pretty amazing!

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Postby Stefen » Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:42 pm

I h ave an original Eichler in Orange that has light similar to the Primelites to the left hand side.

Due to the sloping ceiling, the suspended light have various cord lengths.

Many of the alternatives would work as well.

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Postby Miguel » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:05 pm

The original globe fixtures used in a lot of Eichler homes have the metal downrod and the swivel to allow installation in slopped ceilings. I'm not sure if the Primelight fixtures with metal rods have this option.

From my research, many of the original swiveling downrod globe lights were made by Progress lighting (same company that makes the new lights, but only with cords). It's hard to find the original Progress unless you know of someone that is getting ready to trash them or stalk a MCM commercial building remodel - contractors tend to throw them away.

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Postby robbhouston » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:16 pm

Swivelier has "torpedo" lights (as they call them), on stems. But I'm not sure how the stems connect to the ceiling. Nothing a phone call wouldn't remedy. They've got great phone service, hardly any recorded messages to listen thru... :)

Regarding globe lights...I order 2 fixtures locally. They're by Sea Gull Lighting, $96 each. They do hang from the power cable (which is white), which allows the base (also white) to be mounted at an angle. They look pretty nice once they're up...

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I went for the largest version, 14". I'm happy with them.

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Postby Futura Girl » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:56 am

This topic was nominated for a Best of Lotta Living - because we get so many questions regarding lighting fixtures here. And it will help keep the answers more in one place.
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Postby moderns-r-us » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:39 pm

Perhaps we can make this the definitive MCM lighting thread!

I will contribute these LL threads to be linked to

looking for bathroom light-maybe even 1 w/a Japanese flair
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Suggestions for Exterior Wall Mount Lights
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

built in lighting in valances above windows
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Vintage Low Voltage Wiring Questions
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Looking for cool wall sconces
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Hanging ball light
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Lighting of Yester-Year
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

mcm exterior cone lights
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... m+lighting

Wall sconces
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... one+lights

Salvage or scrap yards / Atomic wall sconces
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... one+lights

WTD: Modern Lamp Shades
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Pin Hole Disc Wall Light
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Porch light ideas?
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Help. My 'new' house is too dark
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Need tips on refurbing a MCM brushed aluminum sconce
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Need opinion on sconces...
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces

Exterior Brushed Aluminum Bullet Light?
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... ht=sconces


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New Retro Bullet Lighting

Postby macgeekbrian » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:31 am

Here's another link that might prove useful.

Remcraft just re-introduced their original mid-century cone-shaped bullet fixtures, manufactured to original specifications (not lightweight knock-offs, these are the real thing!). Also check out the up/down and Swedish Modern shapes. Pretty cool, and they're popping up all over Northcrest (our mid-century neighborhood in Atlanta, GA)

Also check out the Swedish Modern series and the Up/Down light under the Cylinders category.

http://www.remcraft.com/bullets/catalog.html

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Re: New Retro Bullet Lighting

Postby moderns-r-us » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:20 am

macgeekbrian wrote:Here's another link that might prove useful.

Remcraft just re-introduced their original mid-century cone-shaped bullet fixtures, manufactured to original specifications (not lightweight knock-offs, these are the real thing!). Also check out the up/down and Swedish Modern shapes. Pretty cool, and they're popping up all over Northcrest (our mid-century neighborhood in Atlanta, GA)

Also check out the Swedish Modern series and the Up/Down light under the Cylinders category.

http://www.remcraft.com/bullets/catalog.html


Thanks for adding this to both threads!

Here is a dealer in Palm Springs who handles a lot of MCM lighting.

http://www.ylighting.com/
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fwiw: primelite

Postby fuegos100 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:08 am

I called primelite and they do not sell to the public. they did refer me to a website that sells their products

http://loveitlighting.com/cgi-bin/hang_globes.pl

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Postby iwantarummer » Sat May 24, 2008 4:42 pm

check out our site http://www.onestopmodern.com

i bought an Eichler last year, and because of all the resourcing, i started this site to have a one stop shop for all your modern needs. including a large selection of functional and decorative lighting.

if there is something you don't see, let me know and i will find it for you. :roll:

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Postby SleazyG » Wed May 27, 2009 1:04 am

Since this seems to be the definitive thread on MCM lighting, I'll post my question here. When is mixing different types of MCM lighting too much? For example, is it too much to have a Nelson saucer lamp near a sputnik chandelier and two sputnik sconces?

I really want a Nelson saucer lamp over my dining room table, but the dining room is near the wetbar over which I was going to hang my chrome sputnik chandelier and next to the wetbar is a structural pillar I was going to install a sputnik sconce. I fear this looks like I'm trying to pack all the different lighting from the 1950's into one condo.

Honestly, I'd rather have the Nelson saucer in the dining room, a recessed light over the wetbar and double-cone sconces in the hallways. Unfortunately, the double-cone sconces protrude too far from the wall (the application is near a doorway and people will bump into them). The only low-profile/flush MCM sconces I've been able to find are the sputnik sconces. If I have no choice but to use sputnik sconces, should I keep the sputnik chandelier? Can I use the sputnik chandelier in addition to a Nelson saucer?

Here are the sputnik fixtures I'm writing about. I fear they're kitschy.

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Here's a link I found for a $129 double-cone sconce. I have no idea what the quality is like, but the price is a far cry from the Daniel Donnelly fixtures. http://www.inmod.com/cosmic-wall-sconce.html

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Postby BAZ_MCM » Wed May 27, 2009 7:38 am

SleazyG,

Have often asked myself the same re: mixing period lighting in one room. I don't have an answer for you other than to say pics of the space might help us get an approximation of how everything will interact.

As for the sputnik sconces in the hall (very cool by the way), I have a crazy thought. What if you created a recess into the wall for the sconces. Basically cut a big rectangle into the drywall and re frame the rectangle back into the wall and reapply drywall. This way you'd have the lights and they wouldn't be a head-hitting danger. Might actually frame them nicely too.

Enough craziness from me.

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Postby Perks » Wed May 27, 2009 11:04 am

SleazyG wrote:Here's a link I found for a $129 double-cone sconce. I have no idea what the quality is like, but the price is a far cry from the Daniel Donnelly fixtures. http://www.inmod.com/cosmic-wall-sconce.html

I ordered one of those for my front porch. It's still sitting in its original box more than a year later because I've never gotten around to installing it. It's big. I read the dimensions before buying it, but it still seemed quite massive when I got it. I'm not sure it would be on a really great scale for indoor use. I don't know how the quality would compare to the more expensive fixtures, but I would say the Inmod version is good in finish quality and about average in overall build quality.

I agree with BAZ: it's hard to comment on whether your lighting arrangements would be too busy without seeing the context of size, location, and other decor choices. Unless we're talking about a large room, my own preference is to have one primary focal fixture per area, with more subtle fixtures adding extra light as needed.

As far as the sconces: how flush does "flush" realistically have to be? If you're looking for more subdued features, you might be able to broaden your horizons a bit. For example, I know they're not truly "mid-century," but I have a few of these at home; they're fairly low-profile (4 inches or so) and the curves would help avoid anyone getting poked with pointy edges.

I have a similar sputnik chandelier hanging in my dining room. I don't think I'd want to pair it up with a sputnik sconce. Definitely has bad-kitsch potential, but it's all a matter of context; my dining room is intentionally sparse in decoration so it doesn't seem crowded out by other stuff.

(For what it's worth, I've never been a fan of the star-shaped light bulbs, so I used the little round half-chrome bulbs in my sputnik lamp instead and it looks good. I don't know that they would look good on the sconce, though.)
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Postby BAZ_MCM » Sat May 30, 2009 4:54 pm

SleazyG & Perks,

Today I scored a vintage double cone sconce for $18.00 at a rural antique shop. Very pleased indeed. There were several times I almost bought the $129.00 ones on Ebay. But $18.00 is a deal-closer price.

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Postby rockland » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:04 am

Super to have this all together!
I still cannot find the thread about bedroom and hallway fixtures.
Flush mount.
One was Joe's hallway?
I just had, and still in process, having all rewiring done. (sea-side saltbox)
It does have a modern flair in its simplicity :) . Exposed beams throughout.
Painted high gloss white boat enamel by the previous owners...
I'm rather fond of the bare-bulb in the porcelain fixture but code does not
allow it! I need 15.
Something like this?
http://www.lightinguniverse.com./Flush- ... 25709.html
Yikes. I need something quick. Heave ho ye olde nautical is out of the
question.
No HD. Sears catalog with an office the size of our outhouse. 6 weeks it
takes. Most fixtures offered are brassy tin and over-priced.
I'll try HD on line. The sweet sound of dial-up :roll:

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Postby Joe » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:25 am

rockland wrote:...
One was Joe's hallway?
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not totally satisfied, but will work until I find the right ones. Got it at Lowes. you may try a lighting specialty store (check the yellow pages). shopping online for something you have not seen is difficult because with lights, scale is important. you don't want something too small or too big for the space.

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Postby jesgord » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:58 am

Rockland- Ive used these IKEA Lock flush mount ceiling fixtures in the past. Cheap, simple and unobtrusive:

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20055751

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Re: New Retro Bullet Lighting

Postby scandimod » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:26 pm

macgeekbrian wrote:Here's another link that might prove useful.

Remcraft just re-introduced their original mid-century cone-shaped bullet fixtures, manufactured to original specifications (not lightweight knock-offs, these are the real thing!). Also check out the up/down and Swedish Modern shapes. Pretty cool, and they're popping up all over Northcrest (our mid-century neighborhood in Atlanta, GA)

Also check out the Swedish Modern series and the Up/Down light under the Cylinders category.

http://www.remcraft.com/bullets/catalog.html


Just wanted to pass on that the Remcraft cylinder fixtures (and maybe all of them) now come with brushed aluminum backplates to match the fixture finish, despite the fact that their catalogue still shows the grey painted metal backplates. I just bought a few.

Here is link to the Remcraft catalogue as the one above doesn't seem to work: http://www.remcraft.com/images/FINAL_RETRO.pdf
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Postby greenmod » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:43 pm

Since this thread has resurfaced, I wanted to add for anyone in the Portland area:

Hippo Hardware!
http://www.hippohardware.com/
They have a whole globe light section. Every size imaginable. I think every removed globe light in Portland is there. Also saw some bullet lights and I got a NOS schlage plymouth for the front door for a a small fraction of what Liz's Hardware charges.
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Postby rockland » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:32 am

Thanks Joe. That was it.
Thanks Jesse. I think i'll try that. 4 dollars? Store only.

I can buy some time before inspection. Lowes and Ikea combo i'll be able to get
a few choices 'room appropriate'. Ship them up. The Ikea uses standard bulb I
suppose horizontal. I avoid them for lighting usually because of the crazy little bulb
sizes. The quality of the electrical is impressive but the visual designing is often so
'Ikea' looking. A few exceptions.

Not that i'm looking for 'cheap'. I am finding in keeping with the vernacular of the area,
the simple form and design choices are similar to what i would need for a MCM
home. Void of ornament. (but that's another topic altogether)

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Postby egads » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:50 pm

This Ikea one is even kind of mid moddy:

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00032416

What they list as an E26 lamp is a standard base.

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Postby rockland » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:16 pm

Thank!
I've scanned their website for the e26.
This is for a 1880 saltbox. Coastal Newfoundland.
It is a village that was re-settled in '64 so a bit stuck in that era.
(Many of the homes were floated by boat from off-coast islands.)
In a good way. My full bath is olive Sears catalog. Tub, toilet.
The local grocery has the tiny carts and bananas weighed and priced
individually. Two check-outs. A conveyor belt about 3ft long. Never a
line or another person. They helped me with a knitting question and have
plenty of time to knit some sox. (sell them where we in the states sell gum).

And the Sears catalog is still left on the door step. The lighting choices are
more "Dallas' than vintage. A future re-design will be rather modern.
That is my need for neutral, void of ornament lighting that could be changed in the future but i hate waste.

Bare bulb in a ceramic fixture with an old slab pine desk. Emeco chair.
Horizontal original wide board wood walls, no sheet-rock. pretty sexy.

I'm getting sentimental. I have 1.5 days left before back to NYC....
15 hr ferry and 2 day drive.

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Postby KAdams4458 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:59 pm

egads wrote:This Ikea one is even kind of mid moddy:

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00032416

What they list as an E26 lamp is a standard base.


Agreed. I wasn't sold on these in the store like my wife was, but once I tossed one up in a bedroom, I really liked it. Good light output with three bulbs, and they're pretty large. We bought one for each bedroom.

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Forgive the paint, obnoxious white window trim, and the curtains. Paint and trim is on the hit list already, and some day I might figure out just how to hang window treatments on the pair of tall skinny corner windows that are present in two of our bedrooms without making it look awful.


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