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New MCM Construction.. Possible??

Postby DamonBoost » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:33 pm

Would it be possible to use plans from the MCM era and have a new house built? I know "anything" is possible, but would it be feasible and affordable? Much more than typical new home constrution.. Or would a builder look at me , roll his eyes and move on..
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Postby sid » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:02 am

I have a feeling that there are builders out there that would love to take a shot at building such homes in a progressive setting. However, is there a group of "consumers" willing to congregate in such a community.

Who needs to make the first move ... the buyer?? Or, the builder?

Imagine if an entrepreneur could sit down with an architectural firm, a developer, city or county planners, and whomever else it would take do the job in one of LA's enclaves; and just make it happen!!! The time is right, and the atmosphere is ripe for such a move!

If it’s going to happen – LA’s the place. LA’s this century’s city for the world to recognize…

Oh well, who knows? Besides, maybe I've had one to many glasses of wine on this valentines night (with my Valentine of course (as she wonders why I'm sitting here on the computer)), or maybe I'm sort of bent over the Post on Modcom Main Discussion discussing those vandals. Either way, keep the faith... SID, OUT!
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MISSING my long and straight beams, stretching from the outside and piercing through the interior and back out again; seeing it all in one glance! WOW, it was gorgeous!

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Postby johnnyapollo » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:00 am

I remember seeing a post on the board about a new development in Palm Springs:

http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic ... lm+springs

$300s might be out of your price range (but seems really inexpensive to me for the area), but you may be able to get some ideas. I'm not sure what the market is like in Little Rock - I think it depends on your construction methods and materials - to keep the costs low you may have to make some compromises. If you stick with a board and batton sided house with a partial brick foundation and accents, you could get away with something inexpensive. One of the biggest expenses would be the wood posts, beams and T&G roof - plus the roof itself. Also, it's cheaper to build up than it is out - meaning that it's less expensive to stack rooms than it is to build a MCM ranch (foundation, roofing and land costs mostly).

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There's another thread on here

Postby modfan » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:42 am

about some homes in Palm Springs-I think the URL is and there is another devel-don't remember the URL but it had an ad in Dwell with the URL-it mighta been custom/lots.
Seems like some builders could get a clue-unfortunately most are big corps. and seem to build copies of what every other builder builds-McMansions :x .

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Building MCM today...

Postby Chimay » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:33 am

It would be impossible to take plans from the 1950s or 60s for, say, an Eichler and build it exactly to those specifications today. Codes have changed completely since then, and some of the problems you'd run into would have to do with fire (all that wood paneling directly on studs!) and energy conservation (all those windows and no insulation!). You could also have problems with the electrical and plumbing plans. But the good news is that most of those things are relatively minor and you could pay an architect or engineer to modify original MCM plans fairly easily, in a way that would be barely noticeable.

Also, as I think somebody mentioned here, there is a new development of MCM homes in Palm Springs already, using plans from Wexler, Palmer & Krisel, etc. But they are VERY expensive. They were talked about already in another thread a few weeks back.

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Postby Sienna » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:52 am

I'm about at this point because I can't find one to live in little own an investment property...

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Postby Joe » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:04 am

building new home in the style of a mid-century modern home quite possible. The biggest changes, though, include percentage of glass used, wall thickness, and material use. For instance, a redwood tongue & grove roof deck would be cost prohibitive. Even a douglas fir t&g deck would be costly. I don't see anything wrong with exposed plywood decking, or drywall ceiling.

Buildable land is the biggest issue. Flat 1/4 acre lots within the UBG of major metro areas are either cost prohibitive, or don't exist. So be prepared to build on a hill, outside the UGB, or in a unlikely neighborhood.

I would encourage anyone considering building a home to hire an architect who understands mid-century modernism. S/he will be needed not only for design, but help through the permitting process, selecting contractors and occasional construction supervision. Especially if you are considering updating an old plan, an architect will be able to identify the changes in code and provide design solutions to maintain the desired aesthetic.

Also, copying plans directly isn't a good idea as most are protected by copyrights. Copyrights are usually good for 75 years at a minimum. I suggest making the appropriate changes to protect yourself.

Mark & KC Marcinik in Palo Alto recently build a modernized Eichler from the ground up for a couple who lost their's to fire. It was featured in This Old House Magazine www.greenmeadow.cc

<img src="http://www.greenmeadow.cc/images/our_work/25.jpg" border="0" />

In Dallas, a small, spendy subdivision of homes, most designed by Dallas architect Cliff Welch http://www.welcharchitecture.com/ looks cool on paper http://www.kesslerwoodscourt.com/

<img src="http://www.kesslerwoodscourt.com/images/cat/lots/lot3_1+.jpg" border="0" />

There are others, of course.

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Postby DamonBoost » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:30 pm

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Postby DamonBoost » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:30 pm

Joe,

My budget is in the $100-$120K range. I have already been approved financing wise so thats out of the way.

But $100K for a finished house doesnt get me far, and not many builders want to touch it, due to it not making them much money either. Most builders around here would rather stick to money making cookie cutter tract homes.

Here is what I want in a perfect world. To be able to be financed and finish the house myself out of my pocket. Basically have the house built with no trims, cabinets, appliances, no floor coverings, etc, just sheetrock finished and plumbing/elec ran. The problem with my plan is that is finance companies wont touch it because they dont want to take the chance of being stuck with an unfinished house. Most builders again wont even do it because it wont make them much $$ and again they would rather be focusing on cookie cutter homes. So that leaves me with only one option- and I visited with them today. United-Bilt.

I figure its not rocket science to build the house, and since I am doing all the finishing/trim details myself I will be assured that part will be done correctly, leaving the actual construction up to them. I can upgrade and change materials as well with any plan I find. They allow you to use your own plans.

The big upside is that they finish the home to the level you desire, and I only pay for that level. I remain with their financing (which allows me to finance an unfinished home) for 1 year at 6.5% in which I should finish the house in that time. After that I would be free to refinance as their rate goes to almost 9%. So I would DEFINATELY re-finance.

what are you guy's thoughts on this idea????

and any good home-plan websites you could point me to? any favorites?
I am not sure if they would touch something as modern as the wieler homes for instance. But maybe some inexpensive contemporary plans.
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Postby Chimay » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:14 am

Your best best for finding a builder is to work with an architect who has a relationship with several builders in the area and can use his influence to secure bids from them. They will be familiar with the style and will be willing to do it. That's what we did here in San Diego, which is a very hard market to find builders for any project less than several million $ these days (because of all of the remodels, and all of the new homes being built after the major firestorms we had last year). But our architect was able to get us several bids, and it worked out well.

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Postby mtwall » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:06 am

If you're on a strict budget, one of the Michelle Kaufman Breeze Houses or Glide House would be great (Joe's earlier post in this thread has a link to both). The LV house by Rocio Romero (at www.rocioromero.com) is also very cool and totally affordable (in the $30,000-40,000 range, I believe). They are both modular and different configurations are possible. (eg, it looks like you could put 2 LV houses in an "L" shape, 3 in a "U" shape, or stack them in a 3-dimensional L shape with carport under the overhang of the top module). Energy efficient elements are incorporated into the new modular designs.

I think it's great that there are now quite a few architects out there with similar, great designs who are working on making modernism affordable again and incorporating "green" elements into their designs.
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The challenge for Southern Californians is finding buildable land! The last time I checked, the land prices here were already substantially higher than existing home prices almost anywhere else.... Ugh! :roll:

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Your right about land availability

Postby modfan » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:25 am

But all those houses mentioned in the previous posts-all the websites
are almost all pics and plans that are computer generated-very very few seem to be built as pics that are photos-I'll bet it's less than a dozen.
It would be nice to get a 'factory built' home like one of these but I dunno how many of these architects have relationships with housing manufactures. That Glide House was made in Canada. Seems like there are some manufs. locally that would be begging for this as a new market-there are some locally in N. Cal-I think mostly in the Woodland area and in the South in Riverside county, but as far as I know none of them seem to want to take this on. Hope they are lurking on here and we'll see a change on that.

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and yet another hurdle

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Construction shortages

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Postby Joe » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:13 pm

going cheap in the mid-west, you could do the LV for about $110,000. That's no landscaping either. The LV is just like a regular house: post and beam construction on a slab, wall/window panels...

Jones Partners Architecture in El Sungundo is doing the coolest container work. After giving it an indepth look on the old dwell board last year with Lav and Gary from Oklahoma, we determined that containers were not too cost effective. I think you can get one for a cool art studio in the back yard. Hey, maybe the Valley Modern office can be in a container! Add a couple glass walls and a flat tar and gravel roof... maybe not. :wink:

http://www.jonespartners.com/high/profile/home.html

I really like Jones' entry into the dwell home competiton
http://www.thedwellhome.com/design_jones.html

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Postby mtwall » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:49 am

Oh yes! Something like their Dwell entry on a busy stretch of Ventura Boulevard. 8) The snag would be finding an unused spot on Ventura Blvd. that isn't priced out of the stratosphere. :?

Seriously, I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could... :cheers:

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Isn't the 2nd Dwell

Postby modfan » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:46 am

'Invitational' home being built somewhere in Topanga Canyon? I thought a read an article in the mag about all the 'stuff' on has to deal with to build it since it would fall under the juristicion of the Calif. Coastal Comission (and other gov't entities etc.).

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