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This ain't Mid-Century- or any kind of Modern-

Postby JGropp » Tue May 12, 2009 6:04 pm

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This ain't Mid-Century- or any kind of Modern- it's entirely inept and ugly by any standard! J-

regarding Seattle PI's*5/12/09 article entitled- "The dot of the i-house is sold separately"
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Postby jakabedy » Tue May 12, 2009 6:58 pm

Well, it's kind of modern. At least it is a modern take on an existing idea -- a mid-century idea at that! Of course, there is nothing really new under the sun, is there?

Inspiration?
http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/htm ... _nov02.htm

And now for one that changes shape before your eyes!

http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/htm ... ndo_ad.htm

http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/htm ... xpando.htm

At long last, the basement and livable attic you always wanted (and don't miss the space-saving built-ins)!
http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/htm ... vel_ad.htm

How about this one . . . A Cliff May-be?

http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/htm ... n_life.htm
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Postby BAZ_MCM » Tue May 12, 2009 7:37 pm

Am in the process of building notes for a blog post asking, "is pre-fab the new Mid Century Modern?"

Many of the same principles are in place with the pre-fab movement as they were for MCMs; offer good, modern, sustainable design at a price available to the average American family.

Although pre-fab has struggled to gain traction I believe the other side of this recession is ideal for the pre-fab market.

Imagine 50 years from now there being a forum where people are passionately talking about restoring those old modern pre-fabs from the 2010's.

Cheers,

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Postby Joe » Tue May 12, 2009 9:18 pm

the house discussed already in this thread: http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14452

I think I would have far greater satisfaction building a custom designed house for the same money. plus, where are you going to site this house?

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Postby egads » Tue May 12, 2009 10:33 pm

Internet Forum 101: "It is always better to post in an existing thread than to start a new one."

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

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Postby rockland » Wed May 13, 2009 6:03 am

That's funny. But i would think little Billy would just combine the two threads
with a click. The three yr olds at the Mac store amaze me. My dad is just
learning how to cut and paste...

Jerry, on the message board page, the upper left under the LL logo you can
click on 'View posts since your last visit'
That will give you recent postings and you may not have missed the other one.

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an existing thread-

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 6:06 am

Yes, It's "always better to post to
an existing thread"- (if one knows
about same). Anyhow, here's the
designer's sketch reduced a bit in
size to allow us to see and more fully
appreciate same for what it is, isn't.

Maybe Joe can transfer my thread
over to the mainstream prior post.
Jerry

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Postby kandersen » Wed May 13, 2009 7:44 am

plus, where are you going to site this house?

Aisle 15, lot 434, 3 down from the picnic area. :roll:

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Postby rockland » Wed May 13, 2009 7:48 am

It isn't Mid-Century because it just isn't. It was built yesterday. Influenced by? Anyone can claim that one.
Modern? maybe.
Too much icing on a really dry cake. Seems to be designed by committee. A big yawn.

And contradictory on many levels. Solar, water collection? On a clear-cut lawn? They even put in the under-story plants filling in
at the edge of the forest. We leveled the forest! Better put in a few trees. Planter boxes with daylillies? All very silly.
Yes you could argue that it could be sited and tucked into a natural setting with existing trees and zero lawn. But they didn't.
'I want a roof deck with a 5ft wide staircase for two chairs!'. 'I want a sail shade or i quit!'

I know they needed to pack it in for such an unveiling. But the presentation is odd. 'Pop wants his own room for his easy chair.
Okay, here it is. Detached.'

Strip it of the cattle railings, connect it to the earth with a wide wooden staircase or two, put the study or small studio building on a
bluff or in the forest away from the home. Scrap the lawn or reduce it.
It really is not that bad.

But like Joe, i'd rather build my own.

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Postby kandersen » Wed May 13, 2009 8:02 am

There is a difference between prefab and manufactured housing. Prefabs can ultimately be any kind of house, but parts are preassembled in a controlled environment. Manufactured housing is typically a single or double-wide that is totally assembled off-site and transported to the site. To do that, the designs are necessarilly limited in order to get the house to the site, i.e., height and width restrictions to make it there.

I personally have not seen many, if any, manufactured homes that have inspired design. Maybe the transportation constraints are too much to overcome...

Prefab, on the other hand, has many possibilities. But even the Rocio Romero homes can be expensive once you consider labor and everything not included from RR, and would need a fairly large site to work the way I think it should.

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Postby domus 50 » Wed May 13, 2009 8:26 am

Manufactured or Pre-fab aspect aside, this the Clayton Homes offering is just as a previous poster observed: Committee built. All the earmarks are there, right down to the "eye dot" element possessing a pointless rooftop shade.

There is little to no aesthetic merit and I am unclear as to who this is marketed toward. At 90K for the base unit you still have to purchase a lot and utilities. Problem is even if you spring for the above you are left with a pretty questionable edifice in terms of long-term use.

JGropp, would you be willing to take the basic form of the Clayton design and "overlay" your suggestions? Or is there simply no hope?

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"simply no hope?"

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 9:31 am

Domus 50- As to: "JGropp, would you be willing to take
the basic form of the Clayton design and "overlay" your
suggestions? Or is there simply no hope?", the old saying-
"garbage in, garbage out" would seem to apply here.

I've always admired the huge capability of the American
Building Industry while deploring its unfortunate lack of
design sensitivity. Calling this an "iHome" ala iPhone,
etc., etc., is pure and simple flackery- akin to bragging of
"Green Building" unGreen designs.
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The worst end-

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 9:56 am

The worst end- the "Caboose"-
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The more I look at this, I see
even less in the way of design
qualities- starting with the big
downspout, overlarge concrete
foundation columns, graceless
iron stair, sliding glass doors
looking into the passageway.
Shotgunned windows complete
the dauntingly dismal picture.
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Postby sdmod » Wed May 13, 2009 11:00 am

All great points above and thank you Rockland...the mid-century thing is always one that kind of unnerves me a bit. It either is, or is not, and this obviously is not. However, I would argue that it is indeed modern. It is inexpensive and portable. That alone would suggest a modern approach to home design. Aesthetically, I am not in love with it but whether it is manufactured, modular, prefab or somewhere in between, it is possibly the most affordable of this type that I have seen.

I can’t tell you how often I have read about really nice preefab / modular/etc. that have advertised the promise of affordable, well designed modern living only to immediately discover that the cost to build/fabricate/install is greater than that of standard stick construction or existing homes in the area. They simply never pencil out in terms of cost. So as much as I like the good designs that have been produced they are absolutely unaffordable. This is at least starting to show an option….not the prettiest or most sustainable option but a modern affordable option.

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not only functional-

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 12:05 pm

Modern can be, must be, not only functional
but gracious, well-proportioned as any style.
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Postby rockland » Wed May 13, 2009 1:25 pm

(The enormous downspout is water collection.)
Affordable housing near work to pay for it.
Housing after disaster. Fema trailers?
Baby steps are better than nothing. The basic unit could supply water and power?
Not so bad.
Not sure what the intentions are. A vacation home in these economic struggles?

But another option for the Fema trailers or another solution for temporary housing?
Nt sure if i can trash it as a design failure.
If the basic unit could be set up at a reasonable cost.
I'm not even defending it really.
Double-wides stitched together are disasters. Leaks, paneling covering bad seams...

After 9-11 i lost all work. Job in Alaska canceled. I spent 3 months in my sweet baby...
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40 yrs old. Aluminum, rivets, stove, fridge, shower and toilet, hot water! Heat and AC even.
2 grand. Five acres, 15g. (taxes 700)
Glad i have it.

I don't think i could afford a beautiful Jerry home. Not many can.
Well i do have one now, but 10 years ago i didn't and couldn't.

I just think the basic unit offered is better than what you see for the cost.
Side by side it may be a trailer park. Trying to do better may be difficult.
I really don't see how you could compare it to any elder mcm homes.

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DownSpouts-

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 1:32 pm

Rockland- Love your Mini-AirStream-
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& downSpouts don't need to be ugly. J-

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by Paul Kirk, Architect FAIA

Postby JGropp » Wed May 13, 2009 3:59 pm

Here's a well-designed Mid-CenturyModern home by Paul Kirk-

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illustrating my point that homes should be warm and inviting-
no matter what the style is. J-

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PI Real Estate iHouse Blog-

Postby JGropp » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:09 am

LL- FYI- Here's the Seattle PI Real Estate Blog
on the iHouse including JG, other Comments. J-

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Re: by Paul Kirk, Architect FAIA

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