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Home addition (finally back to work)...

Postby robbhouston » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:40 am

Hey all,

You may recall I posted a couple of threads looking for advice and opinions on a long term home addition project I've been stewing on for some time now...

http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=17326
http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=17496

I'm starting a new thread because the others are filled with images and talk on plans that are no longer relevant. But for a super fast refresher, here's our existing house...

Front...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ission.jpg
Walk around pics...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... patio.html

Our project goal is to add about 500-600 sqft of living space to our current 1250sqft for these reasons...
-Move my music studio/office out of the house.
-Expand living space for future children.
-Possible repurpose as in-law quarters.
-Possibly serve as pool house for future pool.

Here's a quick highlight of ideas now retired. This one's pretty terrible...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... tchup1.jpg
Also bad...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ofline.jpg
This was better, but still not right...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... /side1.jpg

The main thing wrong with the last idea was it did not take into account the West side of our house (the focus direction, ie: all the living room glass, the patio and glass sliding doors are on that side) gets baked in direct sunlight everyday from about 3 or 4pm until about 6:30pm or so, depending on season. It also did not provide enough privacy, both indoors and out. That, and being on a crawlspace was bothering me. Things you all pointed out.

So I started over, and here's where I'm at so far. This new design idea really addresses the sun and privacy issues. So much so, that I'll first post an image with the privacy screens and trellises turned off, as they hide quite a bit of the addition. I've left the landscaping layer on (note the fire pit on pavers), so you'll know what's behind the screens. This is looking at the back of our house...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ripped.jpg

Here it is with everything on...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... all_on.jpg

You may wonder why carport is not an extension of the addition roofline. Extending the roof to form the carport made the whole structure just huge compared to the existing house. I went with a flat roof carport. This could be a simple prefab metal roof type thing or a custom wooden structure. I think cheaper than extending the roofline, as the tradition stick type construction ends 24ft sooner.

Here's a few more pics. I'll hold off on interiors, unless you're interested. Let me know...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... /front.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erview.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_area.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _patio.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... n_deck.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... on+sun.jpg

The last one I have the sun turned on, so you can see how the trellises will help protect the west side of both structures. FYI...the addition is not truly integrated into the existing house (ie: no interior route between), but is connect via the addition's north roof edge being flush against the back of the existing house. The addition trellis is also attached to the same rear wall. As with the previous plan, the only impact on existing house will be rear bedroom windows being replaced with sliders...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... io4_lg.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... liders.jpg

Here's the floor plan as a PDF, so you can zoom in...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... orplan.pdf

I sure appreciate all the previous thoughts and advice from the LL board members. I used a bunch of them on this recent design (ie: maintain separate structure for future alone time from family members, addition roofline lower than existing house to keep from creating one massive single roof, address privacy from neighbors and street, add 2nd exterior bathroom door for direct access from future pool...on and on).

So, fire away with any thoughts and suggestions. This model is a work in progress. Still lots to do, but I felt it was ready enough to generate some opinions.

Thanks in advance!

--Robb
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Postby FRaC » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:51 am

you hire an architect yet?

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Postby robbhouston » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:03 pm

Hello FRaC,

I actually only got restarted on this a few weeks ago. When I stopped a few months back, there were things about the plan at that time that just weren't going to work, and I'd kinda ran out of creative steam. I was about to start looking for an architect to just show what I'd done as a way to explain my needs and style desires when we had a terrible illness in the family that completely stopped everything (we still do). So I never did consult (or even find a suitable) architect. I know I will ultimately have to.

To speak to a couple of points that already concern me...first, the trellis stretching out to the fire pit area. A separate fire pit space (that is, not on the patio) came about when I realized you can't burn a fire under a trellis. But I still wanted a fire pit, and also the sun protection the trellis would provide. Extending the trellis out to partially cover the fire pit space was an experiment I just decided to leave in place. Could always dump the idea. Second...screens, too many?

So...be honest. Is it terrible? Too much with the screens and trellises? They started out simpler, but became more developed with time. Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions.

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Postby Joe » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:24 pm

got some comments... on the way

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Postby Joe » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:49 pm

I guess I need to see the lot plan to fully understand the screens. are you expecting close in development? in your overall view, my only negative are the patio enclosures. if the purpose is privacy or shade, I would look to natural elements like trees and shrubs to do the same thing, but also soften the hard angles of the architecture, add color and texture.

I think the screens will make the interior rooms feel smaller because your eye has less distance to travel.

I do like your addition layout better than in the past.

perhaps a more fully developed landscape plan to go with?

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Postby robbhouston » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:26 am

Hi Joe,

Our lot is a 1 acre rectangle & basically flat...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... y_line.jpg

We're in a neighborhood/subdivision....
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... 24/lot.jpg

There are 2 large mature trees and 2 smaller ones in our yard. The 3 non-street sides border other yards, which for the most part are fenceless and without privacy vegetation. The trees you see along the back are very tall with bare trunks and branches up high.

Our patio has zero privacy from the street and neighbors (or the evening sun). Even though the neighbors on our West built a (very modest) privacy fence, it does not screen their house's side windows from looking directly onto our patio (and into our living room)...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _view1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _view2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... r_view.jpg

When our landscaping went in a few years back, we planted about 20 skyrocket junipers in strategic locations in an attempt to block some of these issues. They look ok, but were not successful as far as privacy. So that's the scoop with the lot layout...

As far as the screens blocking views...They are staggered on the addition, and only screen half of the existing patio. So, you end up with semi-private spaces while still have yard views from inside...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... view_1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _view1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... view_2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _view2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _view_.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... n_view.jpg

To keep the existing patio and addition deck open and bright, I was hoping to use a material for the screens that would allow light to pass thru...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... detail.jpg
...maybe even be translucent. But that would depend on cost and availability.

As I mention to you before, since my last post I've continued to hack away at the model, altering several things. I dumped the "trellis extension to the fire pit" thing (a lot of form, not much function). It also was in the way of any future pool. I also tweaked the fire pit privacy screen position to accommodate the TN required pool fence enclosure, if a pool ever were to happen. Changed the carport from a flat roof to a shed, but at a lower height than the addition's roof. Many other things...here's a few images...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erview.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... irepit.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... arport.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... vation.jpg

If we ever put in a pool...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erview.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ective.jpg

If you're interested, here's a .zip archive of all those and several more, including some interiors...
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... -09-24.zip

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your input.

--Robb
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Postby scowsa » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:52 pm

Hi Robb, here's my take. I started this while you were apparently writing your last post and my intent was to suggest you start with your privacy needs, which for many of us is, or can be, addressed by fencing. So when I looked at the East stripped view an obvious question was why you cannot "fence in" your required garden area?

Then you go and post a fenced-in pool area! So why not do that now?

As you can see, this means that the related vertical elements are much further from windows and sliders, optimizing the inside/outside aspect. As to use of the space before the pool, there are lots of minimalist, lower-cost landscaping options out there, such as


Now looking at your shade requirements, the west-side trellis structure still makes sense but those vertical "flaps" look bulky. Maybe some tall hedging inside the fence would provide shade and also soften the views from windows on that side?

Regarding shade for the other areas, I still see a compatible style trellis running over the extension patio but then you will need to consider other ways to add shade given you have (rightly) taken out those vertical elements on the extension patio. As you may know, there some interesting uses of shade sails out there, such as


Lastly, I was showing it to my wife and she asked an obvious question. Do you have enough space to run the extension down the other side of the lot, so its main windows and sliders would face east, not west, and thus create more building shade?
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Postby robbhouston » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:52 am

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Postby WiscoUsonIan » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:30 pm

A few thoughts of mine about your plans, take it or leave it.

I too agree that i'd much rather have some landscaping to provide some shade and privacy. Your structures extending past the house to do this will undoubtedly block the view, making it less open and more cramped feeling. I'm a huge fan on unobstructed views, I mean if you've got windows, why block the view they offer? What you've put together seems too complicated for what your trying to achieve.

Is it at all possible to extend the distance of your eves? Luckily my house was designed with lighting direction considered, and eve hangover calculated accordingly. Mine work so well that we've forgone all window coverings. They can provide some protection from the sun for the majority of the day, besides sunndown.

If eves are not an option I'd highly consider adding all natural features to provide privacy and shade. Initially it wont offer much, but it sounds like your in this house for a longer haul. Maybe something temporary to provide shade now like the above mentioned shade sails. Plant trees with large canopy's (however many you think is a lot, plant double), shrubs, arbor vitae's for a natural fence and privacy, etc...

Also the plans seem more like your building a guest house, rather than an addition. Especially with the two structures being non connected. I think that the blend of old and new should be more seamless if possible. My main goal of a project like yours would be to make people think that it might have been like that all along.

Overall I get the feeling that your really boxing in the large lot that you have. Especially with all the trellises and fencing. open spaces far out trump enclosed areas, at least to me. If you're going to fence, put it as far to the property line as code will allow. As far as your possible pool goes, as long as it's fenced, even if the whole back yard is fenced, it should be good to go (check that out tho). Thats at least how mine is, although were 1000's of miles apart with who knows whats code differences.

thats all I have for now... will be following along in your adventure.
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Postby robbhouston » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:21 am

WiscoUsonIan,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I so appreciate the input from the folks here on LL. I've been off line for these past few weeks because we had a death in our family. A terrible illness finally took it's toll on my sweet mom in late Sept.

I'll attempt to respond to your suggestions...

No doubt, landscaping is a great idea. As I mentioned before, when we did our stone perimeter around the house, with the pavers and pots on rocks, etc....we also put in over 20 sky rocket junipers. This, in an attempt to remedy some of our sun and privacy issues. Unfortunately, it seems we would have had to transform our basically treeless (other than the 4) lot into a highly planted one to accomplish what we were trying to do. I think to truly pull off what we wanted, I get a bad feeling we'd probably have to hire a professional landscape designer and spend more than we could afford (and still do an addition) on a whole lot of plants and trees. And as we'd like to enjoy our yard sooner than 5-10 years from now, much of it might have to be semi-mature stuff (is that expensive?). So, I'm not quite sold on completely solving sun and privacy issues via landscaping. But, I do believe landscaping could enhance structural solutions.

Regarding the screens obstructing views...I guess I was attempting to create a couple of "outdoor rooms" of sorts. Kind of like Craig Ellwood did in CSH 16 & 18...

http://www.artsandarchitecture.com/case ... 1/1953.pdf
http://www.artsandarchitecture.com/case ... 1/18-2.pdf

I know our house isn't as exotically modern as any CSH. Thats why I was messing around with cheaper, less formal materials (using translucent corrugated plastic, rather than framed obscure glass).

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... detail.jpg

I was thinking they were just staggered and broken up enough that much of the time you could still see past them to the yard, depending on where you were standing inside or out...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... vation.jpg

Maybe if they were abbreviated a bit more (which I've actually done a couple of times since the idea was added to the model).

Regarding the addition structure being separate from the existing house...We went round and round on that and decided for my (music) studio/office and it's privacy/noise issues, pool/party/guest house use and/or repurposed in-law quarters...separation was best. Plus, I kind of like not impacting the existing house structurally.

I understand the "boxing in" concerns. To me, that only seems to happen when/if a pool goes in. Without the pool enclosure, I kind of like the semi-private spaces a few strategically placed screens create. So I agree, how the pool enclosure would work probably needs more thought.

All that said, I've been fiddling around with yet another approach. The current plan is about as developed as it can get, sans seeing an architect. I need to know I've explored every option I could possible conceived of prior to spending $ on architectural consultation fees. My alternate approach is actually based on something scowsa's wife suggested in a previous post. Will post something as soon as I get something post-able. Will avoid over developing this model so as to be easily changed based on suggestions (should I receive any). I'm about to go on a long working trip and will try and re-re-kickstart things then. My brain (and heart) might be just about ready for that.

Thanks again for your, and everyone's, input.

PS: Your house is beautiful, WiscoUsonIan.

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Postby robbhouston » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:40 am

Hey all,

I'm very excited to share that I'm finally meeting with an architect, tomorrow morning at our home. We spoke a few days ago and I was very encouraged by our conversation. His website..

http://www.ryanthewes.com/

He says he can offer as little or as much assistance as is needed, charging by the hour. Hope he's affordable, as I felt we made a great connection. Any suggestions that might make the meeting time well spent are welcome.

Hope I end up being able to work with this guy. I'd love to get past the "idea phase" on this thing!

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Postby johnnyapollo » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:24 am

I've communicated with Ryan via email a few times (he was one of Robert Green's draftsman) and he seems a great guy. I think you'll do well with him and I also think he'll bring much to the table.

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Postby robbhouston » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:13 pm

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Postby robbhouston » Wed May 23, 2012 12:53 pm

Hey all,

A quick update on my addition project. Designing is done, codes approved and building permit issued. Architect is working on final construction plans. I've gone back into contractor mode, gathering quotes from all the guys I used on our original renovation. Things are looking promising as far as costs.

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ew_top.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... _front.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... w_rear.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... rport2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... rdseye.jpg

Addition is still detached, but connected to main house via covered patio. It'll add 695sqft of indoor living space (2 rooms + 1 full bath), a 2 car carport + storage, plus lots of outdoor hang space with varying degrees of privacy. Design is also pool friendly, should we ever decide/afford to put one in.

Thanks everyone for all the past advice!

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Postby Joe » Mon May 28, 2012 11:03 am

best yet, nice job.

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