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Opinions on a carport...

Postby robbhouston » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:33 am

Hey all,

So, my architect gives me the first draft of my plans, which includes the original flat roofed carport design. Of course, he's had to put a pitch on it for rain run off. On the elevations, you can see the drop from one end to the other is pretty pronounced. And it's not just the topside of the roof that's sloping, but also the underside, with the long structural support beams getting lower and lower as you look across them. Not so attractive. We chatted about options, then I met with my builder and pitched this idea...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ptions.pdf

The underside is level, and you pitch the topside only via one of the methods shown (a very subtle shed, hip or gable). Sounds great, right (not)? My builder was quite resistant saying it would cost a lot more in materials and labor. So I messed around with different rooflines and boiled it down to these 3 versions. 2 flat (which might cost more due to the method of adding "hidden" pitch, and one butterfly (which would alleviate the whole run off issue)....

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v1_1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v1_2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v1_3.jpg

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v2_1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v2_2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v2_3.jpg

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erfly1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erfly2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... erfly3.jpg

The first is the original (still my favorite). The other 2 came about over time and attempts to resolve things like eves without support, rain run off, etc. Some fresh eyes might see the obvious choice, as I've probably looked at it too much already.

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Postby Martin » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:00 am

I like your first choice. We did something similar last year when
we added tapered rafters on top of an existing portion of flat roof.
This was done to allow space for additional insulation in our case. The
framers knocked this out in half a day and the materials cost was
minimal in the context of the entire job. Not sure if you are planning
any recessed lighting in your garage, but if you are, make sure
you won't have any clearance issues later with the fixture heights.

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Postby Futura Girl » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:37 am

possibly consider putting the door to your storage facing the inside of the carport? our aq jones has storage doors facing that way and it is not an issue for the car and looks better from the street.

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Postby robbhouston » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:17 am

Hey there,

There are double doors facing the carport parking space...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... t_v1_2.jpg

The front facing door is just another access point. You think I should loose it, and just have the double doors?

On the same subject, it seems my architect and I are finally onto a solution for this carport business (ah...hopefully the final 'big' piece of this puzzle). Were going to put a hipped roof that will appear flat from a human vantage point (as is seen in the PDF I posted above). Also, as per his suggestion, we may go with a parapet system rather than standard gutters. This, for the nice clean look and also to keep gutters from running into nearby objects like the wooden privacy screens, the covered walk, etc...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped1.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped2.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped3.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped4.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped5.jpg
http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... ipped6.jpg

He says we'll go with with either EPDM (huh?) or rolled roofing. My builder also suggested something the other day (it rolls out in wide strips and is sticky on one side?), but I don't recall the brand.

FYI...There was a nice piece over at BuildBlog on the use of parapets on flat roofs...

http://blog.buildllc.com/2010/12/smart- ... detailing/

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Postby jakabedy » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:53 pm

I like the flat-appearing hipped roof the best. I think the pronounced slope roof looked like it was trying too hard. Our houses are similar in that they comprise one long ridge with gabled ends. Our carport is integrated, like your existing garage. But rather than open onto the gabled end, it opens on the side. So we drive in where the roof is lower and it slopes up toward the ridge as you pull inside. Initially it bugged me, but it all works in the overall scheme of things. All that to say that sometimes quirky works. So you could actually extend your existing roofline if the drive and carport are sunken a bit to allow appropriate clearance.

We have the exterior storage in the carport, too. Ours isn't in the outrigger position, as it is on the front wall of the carport, which backs up to the house. But it is, I'm sure, similar in width to yours (20-22 feet), If a bit deeper (ours is about 3' deep inside). You'll want to consider having two sets of double doors. One side of ours holds the HvAC and water heater, and we have a big shelf unit inside the other one. It serves as sort of two big reach-in closets. If we only had one door in the center, we would lose storage space because of the need for room to get inside and walk around.
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Postby Futura Girl » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:25 pm

yes. i think the front facing door detracts from your house. otherwise - i love your design.

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Postby egads » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:22 am

Most of the carport storage I have seen have a row of double doors facing the carport. framed openings could be done now as hanging several pairs of double doors will be expensive.

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Postby jakabedy » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:11 am

robb -

I snapped a couple of photos of our carport arrangement, and did some quick measurements. So I'll comment on measurements, too (although I'm not sure what your measurements are). Our storage closet is just over 17.5' across, and the closet is about 39" deep, with the framing of the front wall taking up another 4" (don't forget to allow for the framing all around). Our two sets of double doors are in 72" openings (36" doors). I included a picture of the current condition of our closet for sheer entertainment value.

The carport is 19' deep. Our house is built on a slight slope, so the carport is a bit lower than the house. So we have two steps up from the carport floor to the level where the storage closets open. This allows the closets to open, but bites into the usable parking space for the vehicles by 3.5'. And there is still a bit of a do-si-do required to open door, retrieve item, step back and close door, then walk past. It also leaves just 15.5' to park. The Touareg is 15.5' long. This means when unloading the Touareg, or walking behind it or the Beetle, you are outside in the rain. So, definitely consider making the carport deep enough that the cars are parked in front of the door to the house, leaving a dry walkway behind the cars to the house door. I'd suggest a minimum of 20' -- more if you have a pickup or SUV larger than ours. maybe 22' would be perfect.

Our front wall (width of the carport) is just over 17.5' across. This is dictated by the placement of the posts in our house, but is a bit narrow in actuality if you keep two cars in the carport. I think 20' would be ideal for us. With the dimensions we have, the Beetle has to park up against the right wall in order to allow access for the Beetle driver and the Touareg passenger. This lateral room will be particularly important in your case, as you'll need access to the storage on the left, and the house on the right. So make sure you've allowed enough room for the storage doors to swing and for access in and out of the house without brushing up against a car.

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Postby robbhouston » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:22 am

jakabedy: Thanks for taking the time to photograph your carport, and for the dimension suggestions. Based on what you've said, I think we're sitting pretty good on comfortable sized parking spaces, and a dry walk to the house. Currently, our's is set to be 20' 6" deep (with another 2' 8" roof overhang beyond the slab, on the south end...where the cars noses will be) by 22' wide (plus the storage room). The depth includes a 3' 8" covered walkway that you'd use to walk behind the cars toward the outer entry door....

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... +cars1.jpg

That door leads you into a open air court space, with more covered walk to the addition entry...

http://0044f49.netsolhost.com/nashville ... +cars5.jpg

egads: I'm still stewing on the door situation. Haven't heard back from my architect yet on loosing the street facing door. But after sleeping on it, and looking at a few vintage photos of modernist homes and their carports, I'm leaning toward loosing the street side door and making the carport facing doors 2 sets of double doors (all bumped up flush against each other). Might toy around with the model this evening to see how that'd work. About the only negative I can see is our storage space is definitely larger than a reach in closet (17'x6', minus framing space). And it seems like multiple sets of doors were used so you could access all the space in a closet style storage unit. Hmmm...

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Postby Joe » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:36 pm

1 and 3 are OK. like 1 best.

As FG says, door facing carport would be best.

I am 10 years into my Duro-Last roof, no probs 8-)

looking good.


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